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Reply #15 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Tax cuts for the rich don't add any extra spending to the economy.


The tax cuts start at $45K and you think that is rich? Roll Eyes

"Stage 3, which delivers the same marginal tax rate of 32.5 cents for all income between $45,000 and $200,000 in 2024-25 was to cost $46 billion. The boost, which would cut that rate to 30 cents from July 2024, would on our estimates cost an extra $85 billion."

https://grattan.edu.au/news/stage-3-of-the-tax-cuts-would-return-australia-to-th...
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #16 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:24pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 1:16pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 10:55am:
Incorrect thinking yet again

Sure 1000 pensioners can spend more money at ALDI and that creates an increase in the economy

But if you divert that money instead to the right person
He might just start a chip manufacturer
Or some other capital expensive Hi-Tech business
Which is what all the rich countries eventually realise

If you want a Samsung or a Hyundai or a BMW
A caterpillar or a IKEA or a Sony or an apple
You need concentrated capital in the hands of the right people


We had the perfect example of this recently in Queensland
A young man from the western suburbs developed the first rapid antigen test during the pandemic
He tried to set up a business manufacturing these in the suburbs
But due to the restrictive lack of government support
He was induced to go to Texas where he has become a billionaire
And set up a massive plant in Austin
And now exports the rapid antigen tests back to Australia where you get to pay for them

It would have been much more sensible to have supported this fine individual properly in the beginning and the country would be in a better economic situation



Professionals on high incomes don't have the hours to go out and develop covid tests in their own time. They work for a living, like the chodes, who live lives of pure garbage.

Covid test inventors develop their wares with public or private investment. Lowering the income tax rate for high paid workers does not achieve the objective you're seeking.

Rule 1: the Superior Man bounces out of bed with a cunning plan.

Rule 2: he then seeks capital to develop his plan.

Nobody's going off and inventing things in their lunch break, dear. Great Alpha role models like Bruce Wayne, crime-fighting entrepreneur, have their own capital. They own some of Gotham City's biggest factories. They can spare the time to develop bat cars and bat suits, usually at night after all the staff have gone home.

If you want to improve Bruce Wayne's productivity, you need to target other taxes and incentives. You might look at tax write-offs for investment in bat hooks, for example, so that Bruce can get a better grip when he's climbing buildings at night as Batman.

Or you might wish to fund TAFEs and other education facilities to help Robin get better skills as a caped crusader in-training.

I believe Aubrey James is the right person to speak to. Gotham's on a tight budget, but I'm sure he can point you in the right direction at the state and federal levels.

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City#:~:text=Aubrey%20James%20is%20th...



correct.

there is only so much capital to be invested.

if governments invest it into gonski (which saw our international education rankings fall in direct proportion to the increase in funding)
if they invest it in the NDIS
if they invest it in covid payments
if they invest it in cash splashes for pensioners
if they invest it in subs
if they invest it in dysfunctional public hospitals

then there is less capital to invest in the productive parts of the economy.

reducing taxation may help 'starve the beast"   the beast being government and free up precious cash for our more deserving ventures


May it?

You still haven't shown how that's possible. Nobody's trying to "starve" government, dear. Not Albo, not Dutto, and certainly not your Alpha role models, Dear Leader and the "noble Vlad".

Dear Leader blew the lot on a failed covid plan and a failed insurrection. Vlad's blown the bank on a failed war. There's no coming back for either of them.

The Superior Man comes up with a plan that works. He doesn't blow the joint up with plans that are doomed from the outset.

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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:44pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 2:16pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:40am:
Tax cuts for the rich don't add any extra spending to the economy.


The tax cuts start at $45K and you think that is rich? Roll Eyes

"Stage 3, which delivers the same marginal tax rate of 32.5 cents for all income between $45,000 and $200,000 in 2024-25 was to cost $46 billion. The boost, which would cut that rate to 30 cents from July 2024, would on our estimates cost an extra $85 billion."

https://grattan.edu.au/news/stage-3-of-the-tax-cuts-would-return-australia-to-th...


I most certainly do not. The beneficiaries of the tax cut, however, are those on higher incomes. Here's how:

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/new-data-shows-how-the-stage-3-tax-cuts-m...

When presented with lemons, the Superior Man makes lemonade.

You?
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
The beneficiaries of the tax cut, however, are those on higher incomes.



Some of them.  Not all of them. The higher earners will still pay more than the lower paid.
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #19 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:05pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
The beneficiaries of the tax cut, however, are those on higher incomes.



Some of them.  Not all of them. The higher earners will still pay more than the lower paid.


And cry about every cent of it, assuming they pay any tax at all of course.
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Reply #20 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:24pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:05pm:
And cry about every cent of it, assuming they pay any tax at all of course.



You know a way they can avoid tax? There are plenty of PAYE earning $200K or more.

But I can see you don't like a progressive tax system. Just what system would you like to replace it?
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #21 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's






Holy FUCK !


If some
BOZO
has made a more
MORONIC
, ill-informed, generalised piece of
WAFFLE

on pretty much ANYTHING - I must have MISSED it

It reminds me of one of those
totally out of touch
members of our Tory Liberal Party
that claim unemployment payments are
MORE than enough
to 'get by' on.




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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #22 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's






Holy FUCK !


If some
BOZO
has made a more
MORONIC
, ill-informed, generalised piece of
WAFFLE

on pretty much ANYTHING - I must have MISSED it

It reminds me of one of those
totally out of touch
members of our Tory Liberal Party
that claim unemployment payments are
MORE than enough
to 'get by' on.




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there should be no dole
maccas just announced they have 10,000 vacancies they cant fill.
chode heaven
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #23 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:30pm
 
I have never been asked if i want to scrap or keep tax cuts and nobody i know has been asked.

If you go into the dole bludging drug taking dildo packing Green voting electorates you will probably find a lot of support from people like crook in taxing the well off to increase their dole payments.
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #24 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's






Holy FUCK !


If some
BOZO
has made a more
MORONIC
, ill-informed, generalised piece of
WAFFLE

on pretty much ANYTHING - I must have MISSED it

It reminds me of one of those
totally out of touch
members of our Tory Liberal Party
that claim unemployment payments are
MORE than enough
to 'get by' on.




.



there should be no dole
maccas just announced they have 10,000 vacancies they cant fill.
chode heaven


True, true. And we all know how much you value Maccas, no?

Pfizer have jobs too, yes? They're currently hiring IT workers to bump up their Google searches.

You've always praised our fine multinationals, dear. Pepsico, Lays, Proctor and Gamble, the Coca Cola Bottling Company.

Who knows? The Superior Man started out flipping burgers and look at him now. Driving down the freeway in his hot car with his hot babe wife by his side, whinnying.

We'll whinny so much we'll grow tired of whinnying, no?

Dear Leader thought of working at Maccas when he first started out. He changed his mind when he caught bone spurs.

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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #25 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:57pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 2:03pm:
reducing taxation may help 'starve the beast"   the beast being government and free up precious cash for our more deserving ventures

The only "beasts" that need starving are those fat cat billionaires taking for themselves the hard-earned value of other people's labour, to stuff into already over-bulging pockets.

No billionaire ever got rich solely through their own labour.

Taxing greed is good. Tax the rich. Taxing the super-wealthy would raise money for these unfunded tax cuts. More generally, Australia should replace lost income tax revenues with wealth taxes.

The only credible and fair alternative would be making deep cuts to wealthfare: PHI rebates, negative gearing, CGT discounts, private school largesse and other tax breaks and spending that goes mostly to the rich. All of these should have deep cuts or be scrapped altogether.

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Reply #26 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:
Roofers electricians plumbers mechanics

All do useful work

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
Dominos and McDonald's



Far better to give it to the movers and shakers and wealth creators


Like this guy?

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Reply #27 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:21pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:30pm:
I have never been asked if i want to scrap or keep tax cuts and nobody i know has been asked.




I was never asked - nor were any of my friends - would I be voting for a return of the disgraced Morrison Government.

But the random polling of 1500 people across the country made it very clear who was going to win the last Federal Election

It still ASTOUNDS me the number posters on a political forum that haven't a CLUE how opinion polling works - and how ACCURATE it is


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Reply #28 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:30pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:05pm:
And cry about every cent of it, assuming they pay any tax at all of course.



You know a way they can avoid tax? There are plenty of PAYE earning $200K or more.

But I can see you don't like a progressive tax system. Just what system would you like to replace it?


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There are plenty of PAYE earning $200K or more.


A very substantial number of the highest earners are not PAYG employees which you seem to ignore. Many pay little if any tax. Even High range PAYG employees most likely have very substantial deductions and other arrangements set up in order to minimise tax.

However the reason increasing top end tax rates is a bad idea in the current economic conditions is that it is neither affordable or needed. It also provides little if any benefit to the economy.

In other words it helps nobody and provides no benefit - in fact it may well damage the economy further and certainly damages the budget bottom line. Throwing away money that could be put to good use in other areas.

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Reply #29 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:49pm
 
Don't know what all the excitement is about.

Who needs taxes anyway, THE MARKET will sort everything out, right?
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