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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #30 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 6:50pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's






Holy FUCK !


If some
BOZO
has made a more
MORONIC
, ill-informed, generalised piece of
WAFFLE

on pretty much ANYTHING - I must have MISSED it

It reminds me of one of those
totally out of touch
members of our Tory Liberal Party
that claim unemployment payments are
MORE than enough
to 'get by' on.




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there should be no dole
maccas just announced they have 10,000 vacancies they cant fill.



I would hardly think - with youth depression and suicide at record highs - that the
chew-em-up-and-spit-em-out McDonalds Final Solution
is desirable for ANY sector of society


McDonald's Australia has been accused of systematically "churning" its workforce and reducing shifts for workers as they grow older in a bid to cut costs and hire younger staff.

The global fast food chain is a major employer in Australia with more than 100,000 workers in stores across the country, which are mostly franchises.

But the company and its franchisees have come under scrutiny for engaging in what has been described as a practice of "churning" staff as they grow older to hire younger and cheaper staff.

Nelio Da Silva started working at a McDonald's store in Melbourne when he was 16.

But as he got older he noticed his roster was changing.

"Over time I started to get less and less shifts … it wasn't straight away, it was over time,"
he told 7.30.

"I got less shifts because I got older, and definitely more expensive.

Max Beech began working at a McDonald's store in Queensland when he was 16 and moved to a Brisbane store when he was 18.

He says getting rid of older workers was an "unspoken rule" between managers.

"A lot of the time they talked about how they were trying to get rid of certain people for this reason or that reason — a big one was when people were getting too old," he told 7.30.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-09/learn-and-churn-mcdonalds-accused-of-expl...


If I was the parent of a 16 to 18 year old, I'd have a sense of moral obligation to protect them from this this type of systematic abuse.



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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #31 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's






Holy FUCK !


If some
BOZO
has made a more
MORONIC
, ill-informed, generalised piece of
WAFFLE

on pretty much ANYTHING - I must have MISSED it

It reminds me of one of those
totally out of touch
members of our Tory Liberal Party
that claim unemployment payments are
MORE than enough
to 'get by' on.




.



there should be no dole
maccas just announced they have 10,000 vacancies they cant fill.
chode heaven
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maccas just announced


If you believe them.
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #32 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:15am:

If you give more money to the people at the bottom
They will spend it on tattoos
Mag wheels
Alcohol and drugs
Dominos and McDonald's





All of which are a greater benefit to Australia than investing it tax free on the Cayman's.

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They will spend it on tattoos


The Tattooist uses his profit on improvements to his rental properties.

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Mag wheels


The Wheel and tyre company employs a new trainee

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Alcohol and drugs


The Local bar renovates and increases services to their community.

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Dominos and McDonald's


Employ another 1000 employees ?
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #33 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:20pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
You know a way they can avoid tax?



You didn't get back. Even Director's Fees get taxed.
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Re: Most Australians Want Stage 3 Tax Cuts Scrapped
Reply #34 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:21pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 5:23am:
i say double the tax cuts to this noble and wonderful group of "real" australians





He's OBVIOUSLY
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Reply #35 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:15pm
 
Stage three tax cuts to cost seven times more than UK tax cuts: Greens

The Age
October 5,2022

Australia’s stage three tax cuts will cost seven times as much as similar cuts that caused a political storm in Britain when measured as a share of economic output, according to new figures that will be used to urge the federal government to rethink the $243 billion cost.   Sad

The Australian cuts are forecast to be worth 0.7 per cent of gross domestic product when they begin in 2024 but will increase in size in the following years, in contrast with British cuts that amounted to only 0.1 per cent of GDP before they were scrapped last week.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers says he will “put the economics before the politics” on stage three tax cuts.


Greens leader Adam Bandt will cite the comparison, done by the Parliamentary Library in recent days, to intensify calls to stop the stage three tax cuts going ahead despite an election promise from Labor to keep them in place.

With Treasurer Jim Chalmers vowing to put economics ahead of politics in tough decisions in the October 25 budget, the government is debating whether to make a swift decision to change the tax package in the wake of the financial turmoil in the UK last week or leave the question for next year.

“We have not changed our position on stage three,” said Finance Minister Katy Gallagher on Wednesday morning.

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“But we are finalising a budget and I think the Treasurer and I have been upfront with some of the challenges and some of the changes we’ve been seeing in the economy that are front of mind for us and we can’t ignore those and we won’t ignore them because we are going to do the right thing, not just for the budget but the right thing for the Australian people.”

The opposition’s finance spokeswoman, Jane Hume, said it was “disingenuous” to compare the two tax packages.

“The tax policy debate going on in the UK is not at all analogous to [our] stage three tax cuts. Essentially, tax cuts here have been in legislation for a number of years. That’s not a new addition to our fiscal and economic policy like the UK tax policy was,” Senator Hume told Radio National on Wednesday morning.





“Most importantly, [ours] have already been budgeted for. They’ve been baked in and reflected in our budgets for a number of years. That’s a very, very different experience to the UK....We shouldn’t be comparing one country’s tax policy to another country’s tax policy.”

The analysis from the Parliamentary Library uses the forecast cost of the stage three tax cuts done by the Parliamentary Budget Office and compares the results with the cost of the tax cuts outlined last week by British Prime Minister Liz Truss and Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng when both plans are measured against GDP.

The stage three cuts sacrifice $17.7 billion in revenue in 2024-25 and the cost climbs steadily to $31.4 billion in 2030-31, with continued increases after that. 

The British tax cuts were forecast to cost £2.4 billion in 2022-23 and were due to climb to £4.6 billion the following year before settling at lower costs in subsequent years, although Truss and Kwarteng came under intense political attack for not putting the plan to the Office for Budget Responsibility for a more detailed costing.

The Parliamentary Library calculates the British plan would have cost 0.1 per cent of GDP in its first year and 0.18 per cent in its second year before falling to 0.07 in the final year of the known costings.

The stage three cuts, by contrast, would be equivalent to 0.7 per cent of GDP in their first year and would climb steadily to 0.9 per cent of GDP by the end of the decade. This assumes nominal GDP, the measure of economic output that is central to budget forecasts, grows from $2.5 trillion in 2024-25 to $3.5 trillion in 2030-31.



The comparison heightens the argument over the Australian plan after global financial markets punished the British government for unveiling the tax cuts last year and assuming they could be funded with continued borrowing, leading investors to cut the value of the pound and shy away from buying government bonds.

The Australian package, however, has already been factored into federal budget forecasts. While the government is paying higher interest rates on new bond issues, there has been no similar sign in Australia of a reluctance by investors to buy Commonwealth bonds.

“The UK Tories have looked at the global economic outlook and decided that tax cuts are political poison, but Australian Labor apparently still requires convincing,” said Bandt.

“Continuing ahead with the stage three tax cuts is economic vandalism, moving us closer to a flat tax system, while also risking UK-style economic damage.” 

The stage three tax cuts abolish the 37 per cent tax rate and apply a 30 per cent rate to all income between $45,000 and $200,000.

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Reply #36 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:26pm
 
“Continuing ahead with the stage three tax cuts is economic vandalism, moving us closer to a flat tax system, while also risking UK-style economic damage.”  Sad
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Reply #37 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:27pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 7:20pm:
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
You know a way they can avoid tax?



You didn't get back. Even Director's Fees get taxed.


Salary sacrificing , Negative gearing -  interest paid on loans on investment - Pay maximum to retirement accounts, Maximise tax claimable expenses. Tax advantaged investments. then some of the shady arrangements for the true high income people. Off shore investment and the like.
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Only 1409 Australians asked about stage 3 tax cuts
Reply #38 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:34pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 3:47am:
Surprising group fighting ‘stage 3’ tax cuts revealed in new survey
A surprising group of people who are fighting monster “stage three” tax cuts has been revealed.



October 2, 2022
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Almost twice as many Australians want the “stage 3” income tax cuts scrapped as those who want to keep them, a new survey suggests.

The Australia Institute has released a poll which found 41 per cent of people support the Albanese government repealing the tax cuts, compared with 22 per cent who are opposed.

The progressive think tank enlisted pollster Dyanata to conduct a “nationally representative” online survey of 1409 voters over three days in early September.

Nearly half – 46 per cent – of the people surveyed identified that the cuts would benefit high income earners the most.

Forty-three per cent of respondents who identified as Labor voters supported the cuts being ditched.

The stage 3 tax cuts are the third in a series of cuts introduced by the former Coalition government after the first two tranches offered targeted tax relief to low and middle income taxpayers.

The Labor government has come under political pressure to backflip on its election commitment to keep the stage 3 cuts in place, given the economic storm gripping the country.

The cuts will kick in from July 2024 and abolish the entire 38 per cent tax bracket, meaning everyone earning between $45,000 to $200,000 will pay only 30 cents of every dollar they earn.


The policy means about 95 per cent of Australians will face a marginal tax rate of no more than 30 per cent as well as the 2 per cent Medicare levy.


Critics say the stage 3 cuts, which will cost the federal budget more than $20bn a year and an estimated $243bn over a decade, are not affordable or equitable.

The Australia Institute’s poll found 61 per cent of Australians thought adapting economic policy to suit changing circumstances was more important than keeping an election promise.

Asked what they thought was better for the nation’s long-term interests, 60 per cent of the respondents chose “increased spending on government services like health and education” compared with 15 per cent who selected proceeding with the tax cuts.

The poll showed high income Australians were more aware of the stage 3 cuts and more likely to support their repeal than lower income earners.

Of the respondents who identified as Greens voters, 54 per cent wanted the cuts scrapped, compared with 46 per cent of independent voters, 35 per cent of Coalition voters and 19 per cent of One Nation voters.

The Australia Institute executive director Richard Denniss said more than one third of the survey’s respondents said they were still making up their minds.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has maintained that Labor won’t change or ditch the cuts.

Dr Denniss said this “indicated the debate is there to be won or lost, based on the economic evidence and on what is fair”.

“Voters expect responsible management of the economy,” he said.

“The fact is the economic conditions of 2022 and budget projections over the forward estimates are vastly different to when these tax cuts for high income earners were first announced by Scott Morrison in 2018.”

Jim Chalmers has stared down calls to scrap or amend the stage 3 cuts as he prepares to deliver his first budget later this month.

The Treasurer told ABC 730 last Thursday: “Our position on the tax cuts hasn’t changed, our policy is as it has been”.

“We do need to make sure that the money that we invest in the budget, from the budget, in the Australian people and in their economy, does get maximum bang for buck,” he said.

Dr Chalmers told reporters at Parliament House last Wednesday he had no reason to remove the cuts at this stage.

“Even if we took some of the steps that people have been urging us to do on stage 3 tax cuts, that would not change the inflationary environment that we confront right now,” he said.

“I think the public conversation sometimes doesn’t quite understand that.”





* There are 26 000 000 of us and only 1409 were asked a question about stage 3 tax cuts.

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Stage 3 Tax Cuts Issue
Reply #39 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:07pm
 
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/personal-finance/speculation-around-future-of-sta...

👆 Please read this article. There's more context (and no silly polls with small sample spaces).

How I see it:

1. These stage 3 tax cuts are an issue given the current state of our economy.

2. IMO the Federal Treasurer might want to rethink passing these tax cuts IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT.

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Reply #40 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:10pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:27pm:
Salary sacrificing , Negative gearing -  interest paid on loans on investment - Pay maximum to retirement accounts, Maximise tax claimable expenses. Tax advantaged investments.


All available to those on lower incomes. Roll Eyes

Dnarever wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:27pm:
. then some of the shady arrangements for the true high income people. Off shore investment and the like.



Offshore investments? You mean they invest and make money overseas and get taxed in Australia? Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:57pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:07pm:
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/personal-finance/speculation-around-future-of-sta...

👆 Please read this article. There's more context (and no silly polls with small sample spaces).

How I see it:

1. These stage 3 tax cuts are an issue given the current state of our economy.

2. IMO the Federal Treasurer might want to rethink passing these tax cuts IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT.



The world economy is suffering because of covid lockdowns it's a consequence of government failures worldwide in dealing with covid.

Unemployment is very low you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Labor would be hypocrites if they go back on election promise to keep these cuts after claiming Liberals were the highest taxing government.

Is all this fuss over higher income earners keeping 7 cents in the dollar with this tax cut?
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Reply #42 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:09pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:57pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:07pm:
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/personal-finance/speculation-around-future-of-sta...

👆 Please read this article. There's more context (and no silly polls with small sample spaces).

How I see it:

1. These stage 3 tax cuts are an issue given the current state of our economy.

2. IMO the Federal Treasurer might want to rethink passing these tax cuts IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT.



The world economy is suffering because of covid lockdowns it's a consequence of government failures worldwide in dealing with covid.

Unemployment is very low you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Labor would be hypocrites if they go back on election promise to keep these cuts after claiming Liberals were the highest taxing government.

Is all this fuss over higher income earners keeping 7 cents in the dollar with this tax cut?


I understand.

I just think that those earning OVER $150K (TAXABLE income yeah?) should NOT be getting a tax cut. The current stage 3 tax cuts as they stand will be offered to those with a taxable income of up to $200K.

Taxable Income <---- these are the operative words.
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Reply #43 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 12:22am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:57pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:07pm:
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/personal-finance/speculation-around-future-of-sta...

👆 Please read this article. There's more context (and no silly polls with small sample spaces).

How I see it:

1. These stage 3 tax cuts are an issue given the current state of our economy.

2. IMO the Federal Treasurer might want to rethink passing these tax cuts IN THEIR CURRENT FORMAT.



The world economy is suffering because of covid lockdowns it's a consequence of government failures worldwide in dealing with covid.

Unemployment is very low you can't tax your way to prosperity.

Labor would be hypocrites if they go back on election promise to keep these cuts after claiming Liberals were the highest taxing government.

Is all this fuss over higher income earners keeping 7 cents in the dollar with this tax cut?


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Unemployment is very low you can't tax your way to prosperity.


Not applying new unfunded tax cuts is not the same as additional tax to get to prosperity, it is not spending  the rent money to make yourself bankrupt.

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The world economy is suffering because of covid lockdowns it's a consequence of government failures worldwide in dealing with covid
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The lockdowns and job losses were always going to tighten the economy just the same as releasing the pressure quickly was going to lead to a bout of inflation.

We may have got the best outcome possible, it could easily have been a lot worse.

No lockdowns may have led to a cycle of world deaths resulting in a 20 year depression.
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Reply #44 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 12:25am
 
If they installed bracket creep adjustment there would be no argument.
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