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Re: More Manic Methra Marathon Moments
Reply #1275 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:22am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:14am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:04am:
Dear God you've been doing a manic Methra all-nighter even in THIS topic!

Log off and get to a doctor and get help! You're all over OzPol making a real dick of yourself and needlessly causing havoc. And just like you did on Yahoo.... 20 years back ....you're still confusing what others are posting and reading what's not there. You're an absolute shame and a disgrace! As well as an embarrassment to women. God I pity you!

On behalf of the few OzPol girls who are left I would like to apologise to everyone on OzPol who has been on the receiving end of Methra's incessant insanity all over this website especially over the past few days but it might be a good idea to ignore her ridiculous and illogical rants and just report her to Freediver who will no doubt once again give her a much needed break. Cheers


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Hmmm even more here :

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Reply #1276 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:38pm
 
Drumgold the dpp wanker is now in the hot seat after his unwavering support for Brittany and her rape allegations (with no proof).

After Drumgold is behind bars (he will have no friends in there) perhaps Lisa and Brittany can finally be brought to justice for
contempt of court since Drumgold didn't act on these obvious crimes.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/police-union-hits-back-at-act-s-top-pro...
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1277 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:07pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 10:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:51pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 3:52pm:
What was in error in what she said?



Shall we count the ways... - "it was obvious who was on trial here'..... what nonsense.  She was NEVER on trial, but she did have the responsibility of facing the person she accused and being questioned about the issues and the complaint and what was ans wasn't done....

You know what they say about that kitchen being too hot girls... you can always go home to the kitchen...


Really?  Have a look at the pro Lehrmann posts in this thread.  Are they defending him or putting her on trial?


So people supporting the idea that, alongside the complainant, the accused, having been turned out by a court, can sue for damages, is somehow a crime now?

Show us - with full quote - where anyone 'defended' the accused..... and where anyone put Higgins on trial other than herself by her own choice.  Kitchen too hot, remember.....

And you may ONLY use things said/written during the course of the trial... once that is over, clerk of the court, the issue has become the lunge for cash - and probably for a seat as the Joan Of Arc for the rape accusers (where is Lehrmann's seat as the John Of Arc for the rape accused?) and possibly a future lunge for a political seat - and what that implies about the character of the individuals involved..... not to mention those who supported one side in the allegation and trial phase as if it was a foregone conclusion that he was guilty - thus attempting to pervert the course of justice by applying pressure from baying crowds and other useful tools.

When will they be charged?


Grappler, have a look at your own posts and the posts of many others and note how many times there is a concentrated incessant attack on Higgins (her on Trial) and SFA about the lies he told and his conduct both at the time, when he was interviewed by the Coppers and at the Trial.

You can keep pissing into the wind as much as you like.  No piss in my face follows.


Never attacked Higgins - only ever pointed out inconsistencies and poor judgement and poor actions on many parts....

You are being over-emotional again.....

What makes you think that there is some equity in why people should comment on poor decisions - such as Brucie and his stories and reasons why - when he was not the complainant?  What makes you think they cannot comment on the very poor actions of the complainant, times many?

He wasn't out there flogging his story on the media nationally....attending ridiculous anti-law marches ... making a public spectacle of himself ... only to be torn to shreds as a witness time and again for making false statements on oath.

The dress, the doctors, the long after bruise photo, the not wearing panties, the lack of a timely complaint, the removal of messages from phones, the telling content of some revealed phone messages.....

Are you serious?

It was her choice..... and all through the trial I was neutral and said I was even sorry for her and that he was a total dork if he did it...

Are you and mothra the same person?  Same silly interpretation of what people say and zero reading of what they actually said.

Your kind are so wrong about reality that you seriously need help..... and if you say I ever attacked her, you are a liar.


Meh.  Read your own posts, and those whose posts you have supported.  You have been down on her credibility from the get go.
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Reply #1278 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:09pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:34pm:
Yep and Brittany is a despicable loser too! She is forever opening her mouth and talking cringeworthy shyte of the highest order! If she could just STFU but she's always fronting the media not realising the damage she's causing to herself and women in general.

Her latest rant essentially consisted of blaming and attacking our legal system's principle of presumption of innocence because it stood in her way. It was such a horrible obstacle for her! Well too bad Brittany! That's our legal system. And EVERYONE is entitled to that presumption. Even you! So next time you decide to hop into the ring make sure you remember that you can't just jump up and down accusing people with SFA evidence to back you up and expect the legal system of Australia to stop operating just for you.



All of which indicates to me that she was coached to put forward this idea that she should just totally and instantly be believed without question and Bruce hung, draw and quartered without trial  ... this seriously needs looking into .... I'd look closely at that 'commissioner for victims' sheila... for a start.......

I posted a thing from the women's legal centre (do men have a men's legal centre?) that clearly said that if police are unable to act on the available evidence, they are not calling you a liar..... they simply have to have enough evidence, and in most cases there is nowhere near enough, so the hype about '16%' is just the simple reality in play.

So all the hyperbolic emotion spewed by some, mothra/Aussie for one or two, here is moot and ridiculous... and NO - they will NOT have guilt by denouncement in this country, no matter how hard they try.

If once that was allowed in the door, that would be the end of all security whatsoever.....


Sure Grappler, you have never attacked her.  FMD!
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1279 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 5:55pm
 
......and now for something completely different..... Back To The Higgins Case......
(note the artful use of 'Higgins case' and not 'Lehrmann case' so as to accord with the victimhood dignity syndrome of some) ...........

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/08/bruce-lehrmann-trial-brit...
Prosecutor alleges police ‘aligned with defence’ in Bruce Lehrmann case and claims ‘inappropriate interference’


(now that I've got your attention and away from The Slagging Match going on) .......

"Letter from Shane Drumgold to ACT police chief, obtained under FOI, calls for inquiry into ‘political and police conduct’ during investigation of Brittany Higgins claims...

The chief prosecutor in the trial of Bruce Lehrmann complained that police officers engaged in “a very clear campaign to pressure” him not to prosecute the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins, saying there was “inappropriate interference” and he felt investigators “clearly aligned with the successful defence of this matter” during the trial.

In a letter sent to the Australian Capital Territory’s police chief in early November, the director of public prosecutions, Shane Drumgold SC, makes a series of extraordinary allegations about police conduct during the politically charged, high-profile case, which suggest a toxic relationship between elements of the two agencies during the investigation and trial.

Drumgold’s letter, obtained by the Guardian through freedom of information laws, alleges Higgins herself felt bullied by investigators. The letter calls for a public inquiry to examine “both political and police conduct” in the case.

Lehrmann pleaded not guilty to one count of sexual intercourse without consent at a trial that collapsed in October due to juror misconduct. He has consistently maintained his innocence and denies any sexual activity took place between himself and Higgins.

Drumgold sent the letter on 1 November, just after the collapse of the trial, telling the territory’s chief police officer, Neil Gaughan, that he held “serious concerns” over “what I perceive as some quite clear investigator interference in the criminal justice process”.

He alleged that “key AFP members have had a strong desire for this matter not to proceed to charge”.

“Then when charges resulted, the [investigators’] interests have clearly aligned with the successful defence of this matter rather than its prosecution,” he wrote to Gaughan.

“As a corollary however, there has now been over one-and-a-half years of consistent and inappropriate interference by investigators, firstly directed towards my independence with a very clear campaign to pressure me to agree with the investigators’ desire not to charge, then during the conduct of this trial itself, and finally attempting to influence any decision on a retrial.”

Drumgold wrote that he was raising the issue now “to protect the integrity of the pending trial”.

Asked about the letter, a spokesperson for ACT Policing confirmed on Thursday that an “inquiry was underway in relation to this matter”.

“As such it would be inappropriate to provide any further comment in relation to any aspects surrounding this matter including commentary about the letter from the ACT DPP,” the spokesperson said.

Among other things, Drumgold told Gaughan he wanted a public inquiry into the police handling of the case, accused investigators of bullying Higgins, and of direct contact with Lehrmann’s defence team during the trial.

He alleged that, during his first meeting with police about the case in March 2021, investigators had used selective evidence and “loaded characterisations” in an attempt to persuade him to agree with their position, which was that charges should not be laid.

In subsequent meetings in April and June last year, Drumgold alleged that investigators continued to use mischaracterisations, cherrypicked evidence, and inaccurate select summaries of evidence to suggest weaknesses in the case and convince him to support their view that it should not proceed.

During their final meeting in June, police presented him with a brief of evidence and a letter that purported to be a request for his advice on the case. Drumgold said the letter contained “further mischaracterisations and other inaccurate select summaries of evidence” and was used to advance a list of reasons why he should agree with the police position.

“This document contained blatant misrepresentations of evidence such as suggestions that key evidence was deliberately deleted by the complainant, a proposition not supported by the tested evidence at trial, as well as a list of evidence that is clearly inadmissible in trial,” he alleged. “The letter concludes with a further overt attempt to apply pressure to the conclusion of my resulting advice.”

Drumgold disagreed with their position. Police then directed that charges be laid.

Drumgold told the police chief he wanted a public inquiry into the matter. He said such an inquiry should examine “both political and police conduct”.

“I am of the view that at the conclusion of the trial, there should be a public enquiry into both political and police conduct in this matter,” he said.

Drumgold also requested that police cease any involvement in the then-looming retrial, save for their roles as witnesses."
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Reply #1280 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 5:57pm
 
(cont)  .... (well perhaps he is - but let us not jump too quickly to conclusions) ....

"The letter also reveals Drumgold’s concerns that Higgins had felt pressured and bullied by police and had to be insulated from contact with them. He complained that this affected the conduct of the trial.

“The complainant has long expressed concerns that during the investigation stage, she also felt bullied by police, who she felt were pressuring her into discontinuing the complaint,” Drumgold wrote.

“This is an observation corroborated by at least two of her support people. Although this is a matter for her to raise directly with the AFP, it is relevant for our purposes as it impacted the trial process, as she presented as highly anxious in dealing with either the police or by extension, the DPP.”

Higgins then began communicating with police via the victims of crime commissioner, Heidi Yates, according to the letter."
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1281 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:07pm:
Meh.  Read your own posts, and those whose posts you have supported.  You have been down on her credibility from the get go.



Pointing out inconsistencies and lack of solid evidence is not 'down on' anyone.  It is what it is ..... simple really unless you are an emotion driven creature with no remorse or empathy for the possibly innocent and no value for the law.

We all know you've been bent-nosed since you were shot down over the (in)actions of the security staff - Sheilas Over Their F Heads again .... and what that did to any potential case - meaning their (in) actions left it as nothing more than a potential case.

And then St Brittany made things worse by her own actions immediately after and then in her statements riddled with errors .... well - that's the way the panties fall .. you know.

Nothing personal - just business....
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Re: The $3 Million Miracle Cure
Reply #1282 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:09pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:34pm:
Yep and Brittany is a despicable loser too! She is forever opening her mouth and talking cringeworthy shyte of the highest order! If she could just STFU but she's always fronting the media not realising the damage she's causing to herself and women in general.

Her latest rant essentially consisted of blaming and attacking our legal system's principle of presumption of innocence because it stood in her way. It was such a horrible obstacle for her! Well too bad Brittany! That's our legal system. And EVERYONE is entitled to that presumption. Even you! So next time you decide to hop into the ring make sure you remember that you can't just jump up and down accusing people with SFA evidence to back you up and expect the legal system of Australia to stop operating just for you.



All of which indicates to me that she was coached to put forward this idea that she should just totally and instantly be believed without question and Bruce hung, draw and quartered without trial  ... this seriously needs looking into .... I'd look closely at that 'commissioner for victims' sheila... for a start.......

I posted a thing from the women's legal centre (do men have a men's legal centre?) that clearly said that if police are unable to act on the available evidence, they are not calling you a liar..... they simply have to have enough evidence, and in most cases there is nowhere near enough, so the hype about '16%' is just the simple reality in play.

So all the hyperbolic emotion spewed by some, mothra/Aussie for one or two, here is moot and ridiculous... and NO - they will NOT have guilt by denouncement in this country, no matter how hard they try.

If once that was allowed in the door, that would be the end of all security whatsoever.....


Sure Grappler, you have never attacked her.  FMD!


Saying she was probably gullible in being coached is not attacking her - jest expressing sorrow that she was so gullible and so used by others with an agenda - and during the course of the CASE - remember that? - I never said one thing, so back off, fool.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1283 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:06pm
 
Now if some of you clowns could just stop clogging up the airwaves with your personal garbage - we could get on and discuss the actual case and now this Drumgold thing...

What is wrong with some of you?
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Reply #1284 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:06pm:
Now if some of you clowns could just stop clogging up the airwaves with your personal garbage - we could get on and discuss the actual case and now this Drumgold thing...

What is wrong with some of you?


Sounds like Drumgold has pulled out all stops to stop his neck being stretched then drawn and quartered, Drumgold V AFP.
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Reply #1285 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 7:14pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 6:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:09pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:34pm:
Yep and Brittany is a despicable loser too! She is forever opening her mouth and talking cringeworthy shyte of the highest order! If she could just STFU but she's always fronting the media not realising the damage she's causing to herself and women in general.

Her latest rant essentially consisted of blaming and attacking our legal system's principle of presumption of innocence because it stood in her way. It was such a horrible obstacle for her! Well too bad Brittany! That's our legal system. And EVERYONE is entitled to that presumption. Even you! So next time you decide to hop into the ring make sure you remember that you can't just jump up and down accusing people with SFA evidence to back you up and expect the legal system of Australia to stop operating just for you.



All of which indicates to me that she was coached to put forward this idea that she should just totally and instantly be believed without question and Bruce hung, draw and quartered without trial  ... this seriously needs looking into .... I'd look closely at that 'commissioner for victims' sheila... for a start.......

I posted a thing from the women's legal centre (do men have a men's legal centre?) that clearly said that if police are unable to act on the available evidence, they are not calling you a liar..... they simply have to have enough evidence, and in most cases there is nowhere near enough, so the hype about '16%' is just the simple reality in play.

So all the hyperbolic emotion spewed by some, mothra/Aussie for one or two, here is moot and ridiculous... and NO - they will NOT have guilt by denouncement in this country, no matter how hard they try.

If once that was allowed in the door, that would be the end of all security whatsoever.....


Sure Grappler, you have never attacked her.  FMD!


Saying she was probably gullible in being coached is not attacking her - jest expressing sorrow that she was so gullible and so used by others with an agenda - and during the course of the CASE - remember that? - I never said one thing, so back off, fool.


Roight.  FMD.  No attack...........................??

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Reply #1286 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 5:56pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:21am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 5:37am:
I don't understand why people get so vehement about defending a rapist.  It's not like you're related to him ..... or are you? Shocked



2 short planks - thick as.



Ok, that explains why you defend him, but surely that doesn't apply to everyone on here defending him?


Name them and say how they have defended him..... precise words used only, thanks.


You for one


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Reply #1287 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:20pm
 
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Falls asleep waiting for sense..............
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Reply #1288 - Dec 10th, 2022 at 1:55am
 
It should be noted that these off-topic rantings and insults are typical
of the way Mothra responds whenever she's backed into a corner with
nowhere to go.  She seems to get some sort of perverse pleasure out
of derailing nearly every thread she infests here.

Ultimately, it's probably not worth the time to respond to her, and further
fuel her irrational tirades of insults and anger.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #1289 - Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:29am
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:07pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 10:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 8:51pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 6:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 3:52pm:
What was in error in what she said?



Shall we count the ways... - "it was obvious who was on trial here'..... what nonsense.  She was NEVER on trial, but she did have the responsibility of facing the person she accused and being questioned about the issues and the complaint and what was ans wasn't done....

You know what they say about that kitchen being too hot girls... you can always go home to the kitchen...


Really?  Have a look at the pro Lehrmann posts in this thread.  Are they defending him or putting her on trial?


So people supporting the idea that, alongside the complainant, the accused, having been turned out by a court, can sue for damages, is somehow a crime now?

Show us - with full quote - where anyone 'defended' the accused..... and where anyone put Higgins on trial other than herself by her own choice.  Kitchen too hot, remember.....

And you may ONLY use things said/written during the course of the trial... once that is over, clerk of the court, the issue has become the lunge for cash - and probably for a seat as the Joan Of Arc for the rape accusers (where is Lehrmann's seat as the John Of Arc for the rape accused?) and possibly a future lunge for a political seat - and what that implies about the character of the individuals involved..... not to mention those who supported one side in the allegation and trial phase as if it was a foregone conclusion that he was guilty - thus attempting to pervert the course of justice by applying pressure from baying crowds and other useful tools.

When will they be charged?


Grappler, have a look at your own posts and the posts of many others and note how many times there is a concentrated incessant attack on Higgins (her on Trial) and SFA about the lies he told and his conduct both at the time, when he was interviewed by the Coppers and at the Trial.

You can keep pissing into the wind as much as you like.  No piss in my face follows.


Never attacked Higgins - only ever pointed out inconsistencies and poor judgement and poor actions on many parts....

You are being over-emotional again.....

What makes you think that there is some equity in why people should comment on poor decisions - such as Brucie and his stories and reasons why - when he was not the complainant?  What makes you think they cannot comment on the very poor actions of the complainant, times many?

He wasn't out there flogging his story on the media nationally....attending ridiculous anti-law marches ... making a public spectacle of himself ... only to be torn to shreds as a witness time and again for making false statements on oath.

The dress, the doctors, the long after bruise photo, the not wearing panties, the lack of a timely complaint, the removal of messages from phones, the telling content of some revealed phone messages.....

Are you serious?

It was her choice..... and all through the trial I was neutral and said I was even sorry for her and that he was a total dork if he did it...

Are you and mothra the same person?  Same silly interpretation of what people say and zero reading of what they actually said.

Your kind are so wrong about reality that you seriously need help..... and if you say I ever attacked her, you are a liar.


Meh.  Read your own posts, and those whose posts you have supported.  You have been down on her credibility from the get go.


Aussie .... Brittany herself has been down on her credibility ffs!
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