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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21442 ACT Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #135 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02am bump
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #136 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:07am

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:26am:

There would have been a few raised eyebrows in the gallery when it was revealed Brittany wasn't wearing any panties! Cool

I also found that rather odd when she admitted that!

Do women often not wear underwear because it shows lines where the knickers are under the dress?

I dont believe so....so I think it makes one wonder if she is a bit weird.

Perhaps one of the lady members might comment on the no underwear.

Is this a common practice?

It has no bearing on whether he raped her or not I realise that, however I reckon he will get off!

She is a weirdo!

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21442 ACT Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #137 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:11am She did not say she was going commando, rather it was to do with the panty lines showing through the dress!
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #139 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 10:46am

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:26am:

There would have been a few raised eyebrows in the gallery when it was revealed Brittany wasn't wearing any panties! Cool

I also found that rather odd when she admitted that!

Do women often not wear underwear because it shows lines where the knickers are under the dress?

I dont believe so....so I think it makes one wonder if she is a bit weird.

Perhaps one of the lady members might comment on the no underwear.

Is this a common practice?

It has no bearing on whether he raped her or not I realise that, however I reckon he will get off!

She is a weirdo!

Of course we wear underpants! And for some time now, body
shape wear (they're a fresh take on corsets etc) are very popular and help hide any tummy bulges or lines made by underpants.

Why would Brittany go to court with no underpants and tell anyone/everyone that she's done so?

Something isn't right about the girl. IMO.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44064 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #140 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 10:57am Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:11am: She did not say she was going commando, rather it was to do with the panty lines showing through the dress! I have not been following it THAT closely....
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #141 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:31am

Aussie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:40am:

It's a concern that so many here consider him guilty regardless of anything else....... they WANT to rush to judgement and see a hanging....

Except nobody has done that, except maybe Mothra.

and you and Rocky.... read back ...

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That's why 12% of rape convictions are disproven and the real victims exonerated... often after serving years in prison.... people are still stupid enough to think that someone accused is automatically guilty.... wrong completely - it's just that under our fatally flawed judiciary and juries they are most likely to be found guilty on the basis above rather than on facts as required.

I suggest that is crap Grappler.

Research it then - I posted a link

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The bastard wouldn't be there if he hadn't done it, right? People mistake the reign of terror by a corrupt judiciary and courts and police bent on maintaining some status quo for true justice in the courts here as required.... been that way for over 200 years... ask any Abo or poor boy.... nobody is allowed to challenge city hall .... and guilt by accusation has been more the norm, especially in the lower courts, since 1788 ....

It has not worked that way in the many years of my professional experience. Hard evidence is what wins the day in the end.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #142 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:33am

Aussie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:40am:

It's a concern that so many here consider him guilty regardless of anything else....... they WANT to rush to judgement and see a hanging....

Except nobody has done that, except maybe Mothra.

Best you read the strand then - you said it, Rocky said it ....

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That's why 12% of rape convictions are disproven and the real victims exonerated... often after serving years in prison.... people are still stupid enough to think that someone accused is automatically guilty.... wrong completely - it's just that under our fatally flawed judiciary and juries they are most likely to be found guilty on the basis above rather than on facts as required.

I suggest that is crap Grappler.

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The bastard wouldn't be there if he hadn't done it, right? People mistake the reign of terror by a corrupt judiciary and courts and police bent on maintaining some status quo for true justice in the courts here as required.... been that way for over 200 years... ask any Abo or poor boy.... nobody is allowed to challenge city hall .... and guilt by accusation has been more the norm, especially in the lower courts, since 1788 ....

It has not worked that way in the many years of my professional experience. Hard evidence is what wins the day in the end.

Maybe you ought to stop trying... you're pedaling furiously in one place.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #143 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:59am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 10:46am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:26am:

There would have been a few raised eyebrows in the gallery when it was revealed Brittany wasn't wearing any panties! Cool

I also found that rather odd when she admitted that!

Do women often not wear underwear because it shows lines where the knickers are under the dress?

I dont believe so....so I think it makes one wonder if she is a bit weird.

Perhaps one of the lady members might comment on the no underwear.

Is this a common practice?

It has no bearing on whether he raped her or not I realise that, however I reckon he will get off!

She is a weirdo!

Of course we wear underpants! And for some time now, body
shape wear (they're a fresh take on corsets etc) are very popular and help hide any tummy bulges or lines made by underpants.

Why would Brittany go to court with no underpants and tell anyone/everyone that she's done so?

Something isn't right about the girl. IMO.

I thought she went on the date with no panties on.... 'no underwear' .... well - that was one tight form-fitting dress there...

Something here doesn't match...

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #144 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:40am:

It's a concern that so many here consider him guilty regardless of anything else....... they WANT to rush to judgement and see a hanging....

Except nobody has done that, except maybe Mothra.

Best you read the strand then - you said it, Rocky said it ....

Quote:

That's why 12% of rape convictions are disproven and the real victims exonerated... often after serving years in prison.... people are still stupid enough to think that someone accused is automatically guilty.... wrong completely - it's just that under our fatally flawed judiciary and juries they are most likely to be found guilty on the basis above rather than on facts as required.

I suggest that is crap Grappler.

Quote:

The bastard wouldn't be there if he hadn't done it, right? People mistake the reign of terror by a corrupt judiciary and courts and police bent on maintaining some status quo for true justice in the courts here as required.... been that way for over 200 years... ask any Abo or poor boy.... nobody is allowed to challenge city hall .... and guilt by accusation has been more the norm, especially in the lower courts, since 1788 ....

It has not worked that way in the many years of my professional experience. Hard evidence is what wins the day in the end.

Maybe you ought to stop trying... you're pedaling furiously in one place.

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Best you read the strand then - you said it, Rocky said it ....

Show me where I said 'it' Grappler.

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Reply #145 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:37pm

There are countless reasons why a defendant might not appear overly confident in a court..

. could be autistic
. could be shy and not forthcoming
. could be intimidated by the entire process
. could be a battered child and stay quiet to stay alive
. could be going through a personal hell in life

That is why FACTS - and not assumptions and the 'look of the defendant' have no real place in a court.. and facts are not just what someone says..... every fact must be supported by actual evidence... the High court ruled long ago that any opinion of an expert witness must be supported by provable facts and cannot stand alone..... in a court you cannot 'stand by your opinion' .... hence an estimate of speed by an expert officer can be challenged and hence the reliance on cameras etc.

Every real lawyer should know that the courts here have always been weighted against the defendant.... some more than others.. but to come out and say that has never been the case is absurd, and says clearly that lawyer has never been in court.

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Reply #146 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:41pm

Right here:-

Reply #110

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664855901/110

Surely, you have some doubts that Lehrmann has committed an act of rape

.

I have no doubt he did*. But, I have every doubt he will be convicted.

*His story made no sense in that each of his various reasons for going to the Suite, taking her with him, and then leaving her there 'hurriedly,' do not add up to get anywhere near passing a pub test.

What removed all doubt in my mind was when he did not give evidence.

Just like Trump makes all sorts of denial claims in social media, he NOT once yet has had the balls to make those infamous claims under oath. Talk is cheap, being in the witness box, under oath, being closely questioned efficiently is a whole different kettle of fish.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #147 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:46pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 11:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 10:46am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

Johnnie wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:26am:

There would have been a few raised eyebrows in the gallery when it was revealed Brittany wasn't wearing any panties! Cool

I also found that rather odd when she admitted that!

Do women often not wear underwear because it shows lines where the knickers are under the dress?

I dont believe so....so I think it makes one wonder if she is a bit weird.

Perhaps one of the lady members might comment on the no underwear.

Is this a common practice?

It has no bearing on whether he raped her or not I realise that, however I reckon he will get off!

She is a weirdo!

Of course we wear underpants! And for some time now, body
shape wear (they're a fresh take on corsets etc) are very popular and help hide any tummy bulges or lines made by underpants.

Why would Brittany go to court with no underpants and tell anyone/everyone that she's done so?

Something isn't right about the girl. IMO.

I thought she went on the date with no panties on.... 'no underwear' .... well - that was one tight form-fitting dress there...

Something here doesn't match...

Yeah it was on the night of the claimed rape, not in court, it was just revealed in her evidence in court!

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Reply #148 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:49pm

Love to find that English comedy sketch where the jury is asked why they find the defendant guilty...

"Well - he looks guilty!"

"You can't say that... why is he guilty on fact?"

"The fact is we think he is..."

... and so on.....

So Lehrmann is a bit of a beach ball with piggy eyes and heavy rimmed glasses..... he struggled to say why he went to the office while drunk and after being confronted, first with a security breach, and then an allegation of rape...

None of that makes him guilty of rape.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #149 - Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:49pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 1:41pm:

Right here:-

Reply #110

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664855901/110

Surely, you have some doubts that Lehrmann has committed an act of rape

.

I have no doubt he did*. But, I have every doubt he will be convicted.

*His story made no sense in that each of his various reasons for going to the Suite, taking her with him, and then leaving her there 'hurriedly,' do not add up to get anywhere near passing a pub test.

What removed all doubt in my mind was when he did not give evidence.

Just like Trump makes all sorts of denial claims in social media, he NOT once yet has had the balls to make those infamous claims under oath. Talk is cheap, being in the witness box, under oath, being closely questioned efficiently is a whole different kettle of fish.

Rushing to judgement and see a hanging was your allegation.

I made my call only after the evidence closed and ultimately because he declined to give evidence.

Your gibber about Courts having some sort of anti accused bias is total rubbish Grappler.

The accused starts off with a huge advantage, and the prosecution has the barrow to push.

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