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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #196 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:54am

This is my earlier comment. Note : It's a difficult topic for me to comment in given I'm a woman and I myself was attacked under similar circumstances.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

Some very interesting comments.

I've deliberately stayed away from this topic because I keep coming up with all sorts of different opinions.

Here is what I do know : As a woman I've always been cautious about attending work - related events. I've seen married people cheat on their partners and I myself was once attacked by my manager who was very drunk. I was 21 and his hands and mouth were all over me but I recall being frozen in shock before realising that this guy was twice my age and was married and probably had no idea (because of alcohol) ... that he was being so inappropriate.

In all honesty I've never recovered from the SHOCK of the sudden unusual and inappropriate behaviour of that manager. To this day it affects me. I'm glad I got away from him because despite his age and size - I displayed more common sense and responsible behaviour AND because I had no alcohol intake I was strong/alert (enough) to get away from the idiot.

I have never spoken about this event since. Today is the first time. Why? It's not easy. You're not sure who will believe you. Especially if the guy who's attacked you is much older and well connected. Look at the explosive outcome for speaking up. It's terribly traumatic. The only winners here will be the lawyers.

Bottom line?

If you can't bring your partner then simply don't go. People tend to go next level stupid. And that's usually BEFORE any alcohol intake.

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Reply #197 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

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Reply #198 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:03am

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 19^th, 2022 at 10:43pm:

With no third party witness and no physical evidence, it would be astonishing for the jury to come back with a guilty verdict as there must be an element of doubt given the lack of proof.

Fair statement. However, perhaps there are more to this case than we have known so far. It did happen in the Parliament house, surely there will be ample amount of CCTV footage. And if its only circumstantial evidence, then the public prosecutor would not have bought the case to court.

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Reply #199 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:04am

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:48am:

The fact that Brittany kept drinking shows me she was not able to exercise self control. And the consequences of her decision to continue drinking was that she placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation.

"Placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation".

Yep. She could have been behind the wheel of a car which is another potentially dangerous situation. Or she could have walked home and wandered into the middle of the road and got herself run over/killed. There are lots of potentially dangerous situations Brittany could have faced. Yet she decided to keep drinking. Poor decisions lead to poor outcomes.

This is why we as adults have a fully developed frontal lobe which governs high level logic and reasoning.

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Reply #200 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:09am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:04am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:53am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:48am:

The fact that Brittany kept drinking shows me she was not able to exercise self control. And the consequences of her decision to continue drinking was that she placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation.

"Placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation".

Yep. She could have been behind the wheel of a car which is another potentially dangerous situation. Or she could have walked home and wandered into the middle of the road and got herself run over/killed. There are lots of potentially dangerous situations Brittany could have faced. Yet she decided to keep drinking. Poor decisions lead to poor outcomes.

This is why we as adults have a fully developed frontal lobe which governs high level logic and reasoning.

So she asked for it.

Thank you Lisa. Men's Rights Activists and Incels are stroking one out in unison to your post.

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Reply #201 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

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Reply #202 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #203 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:17am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:48am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:27am:

Have you considered the fact that he too was too drunk to know wtf he did that night?

He wasn't found naked in an abandoned office.

He had the wherewithal to vacate the premises, leaving a naked woman behind coincidentally.

So i suppose he still had his faculties, no?

My ex husband (who was a lawyer) could drink 10 beers and a few glasses of wine at work functions and STILL walk. That was in his 30's and 40's. I would be tipsy after 1 glass of wine. So I did the right thing to ensure my safety and STOPPED after that 1 glass.

An observation: Men seem to have more tolerance to alcohol in general from what I have seen. It MAY be due to their body being so used to drinking. I don't know.

In all honesty I think this case will NOT end in Brittany Higgins' favour.

I don't think her version of events IS the version of events. She was too drunk to know/recall. I'm surprised she was able to swear an oath without stuffing up the finer details of what happened given her state of awareness.

I think BOTH were drunk. One could walk away and 1 couldn't. And that had lots to do with their body being able to tolerate alcohol intake.

The fact that Brittany kept drinking shows me she was not able to exercise self control. And the consequences of her decision to continue drinking was that she placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation.

The same may be said of the guy.

I posted earlier in this topic about these work related functions. They are the cause of lots of problems IF those organising them don't set the rules right in the first place.

Conclusion :

1. I think the guy will be found not guilty.

2. Brittany should have sued those who organised the event.

Aussie et al: Do you know if Brittany's version of events changed at all throughout any stage?

I mean how the hell would she remember anything at all?

No. That's a big problem right there. She was too drunk to walk or talk but wasn't drunk enough to remember everything that happened.

Meantime the guy in question was drunk and as he's unable to remember he's not prepared to swear on oath but has tried to recall what happened when questioned by police to the best of his ability.

Look I think you'll find BOTH are unreliable witnesses BECAUSE of their state of intoxication. And once all the evidence is collected and collated BOTH will have given different versions of their own story BECAUSE they can't remember.

The only truth of the matter is this : neither can really remember.

What I don't yet understand is this : Why has Brittany not sued those who organised the event?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #204 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

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Reply #205 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:23am

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

So you're far from cunning mind says.

Other conclusions may be drawn of course, by the more discerning.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #206 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:25am

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

Absolutely! And it is the correct strategy too!

His lawyers know exactly how they will close their case using this strategy too. Blind Freddy can see it a mile off also.

Where's Aussie today? I was hoping to chat to him about this as his posts are interesting. Incorrect but interesting.

(The choice of lawyers and barristers for both sides is rather interesting also as well as important).

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #207 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:28am

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

So you're far from cunning mind says.

Other conclusions may be drawn of course, by the more discerning.

Are you ALREADY Brittany level drunk this morning? Been guzzling the Mothras day present?
Everything that happens in a court room is about legal strategy.

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Reply #208 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:25am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

Absolutely! And it is the correct strategy too!

His lawyers know exactly how they will close their case using this strategy too. Blind Freddy can see it a mile off also.

Where's Aussie today? I was hoping to chat to him about this as his posts are interesting. Incorrect but interesting.

(The choice of lawyers and barristers for both sides is rather interesting also as well as important).

Oh? Why was it the correct legal strategy? Please expand.

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Reply #209 - Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:31am

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:28am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:21am:

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:15am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:58am:

Gordon wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

2 drunks bumped uglies.
1 drunk regretted it.

I think both regretted it.

1 was more regretful and more drunk than the other.

Stupid idiots! The pair of them!

IF they were married and/or had children then the damage would have been even more tragic. I've personally witnessed marriages END because of these sorts of work related events.

Do we actually know that?
Alcohol effects people differently.
Some people just black out and pass out, others can outwardly seem ok but have no memory of what they've done.

We know one was prepared to go under oath while the other wasn't.

Legal strategy.

So you're far from cunning mind says.

Other conclusions may be drawn of course, by the more discerning.

Are you ALREADY Brittany level drunk this morning? Been guzzling the Mothras day present?
Everything that happens in a court room is about legal strategy.

Perhaps you can elucidate in place of Lisa.

How was his not speaking for himself under oath legal strategy?

Do you think he may have incriminated himself?

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