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Reply #270 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:49am
 
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Please note that your answer is to be based on the evidence you've seen presented.

It should have nothing to do with whether or not you yourself would like to see a conviction or not.
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Reply #271 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:50am
 
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Reply #272 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:51am
 
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Reply #273 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:50am
 
When you are required to make decisions being on a Jury, you make them.  You do not shirk and say...."Oh dear, someone will be upset if I do my job." 
WTF are you raving about?  The test was 'would you so easily hang a man on that assumption' because he exercised his right to not give evidence?  Again you speak as if it is a forgone decision just pending your say-so.


She swore he did it.  He did not swear he did not do it. 
He didn't have to.. there is no hard evidence to support anything.


As I have said a zillion times......that was the straw.  Putting myself in the position of Juror as I was asked, I made my decision as required based on the evidence, and after making my decision on credibility.
You made your decision on 'credibility' - not on the evidence.


You on the other hand are so cowardly you are afraid to even try to sensibly explain why he gave three/four ENTIRELY different reasons for going to Parliament House in the wee small hours of a Saturday morning with a young woman who was pissed out of her mind.
I have no need to - only he knows.


If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days. 
If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days.  I haven't reckoned anything apart from ' there is no hard evidence'.  You are getting emotional again, old boy.  Steady... steady.... you'll blow a gasket.


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Reply #274 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:55am
 
And for those complaining that this is a trial of Brittany Higgins... the evidence must be tested... get a life.

Whichever way this turns out, nobody will win, though I would not be unhappy to see the sneaky politicians cop a serve or ten... I believe there is more to this, as I laid out... if that's the quality of Army Reserve Generals, call me when the fighting is over.  SOTH again.

Unfortunately, like Aussie with his rush to judgement negative on grounds of assumption and clear prejudice, I cannot prove any of that, so I'll just say they lack credibility.
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Reply #275 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:57am
 
Maybe in Queenslund they have two latch pins in the M-1 Garand... but not in the US Marines past...
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Reply #276 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:01am
 
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Reply #277 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:56am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:01am:


I feel that this is stretching credibility a tad too far.
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Reply #278 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:01pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:50am:
When you are required to make decisions being on a Jury, you make them.  You do not shirk and say...."Oh dear, someone will be upset if I do my job." 
WTF are you raving about?  The test was 'would you so easily hang a man on that assumption' because he exercised his right to not give evidence?  Again you speak as if it is a forgone decision just pending your say-so.


Are you really a brain dead moron?  See below.

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She swore he did it.  He did not swear he did not do it. 
He didn't have to.. there is no hard evidence to support anything.


Why are you ignoring, for example, the extremely hard and consistent EVIDENCE of Brittany Higins?

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As I have said a zillion times......that was the straw.  Putting myself in the position of Juror as I was asked, I made my decision as required based on the evidence, and after making my decision on credibility.
You made your decision on 'credibility' - not on the evidence.


Yes, I suspect you are a brain dead moron.

Many decisions need to be made based all sorts of evidence including the evidence given by a complainant.  One must assess the credibility of the complainant.  Included in that assessment must be any denial made by the accused person.  Lehrmann makes a denial.  So, that is a direct challenge to Jurors to make an assessment of the credibility of the two.  One the one hand, we have her SWORN testimony and her cross-examination in Court in front of Judge and Jury.  On the other hand, we have his unsworn pub talk denial made to associates and Coppers, totally untested by cross-examination.  She wins in my conclusion.

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You on the other hand are so cowardly you are afraid to even try to sensibly explain why he gave three/four ENTIRELY different reasons for going to Parliament House in the wee small hours of a Saturday morning with a young woman who was pissed out of her mind.
I have no need to - only he knows.


See, cowardice.  Imagine you are on the Jury.  Would you not regard those different versions about a VITAL aspect of the case, as very damning of his position?

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If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days. 
If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days.  I haven't reckoned anything apart from ' there is no hard evidence'.  You are getting emotional again, old boy.  Steady... steady.... you'll blow a gasket.


And there is your grave error and why Mothra is correct when she often attacks you as a misogynist.  There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS.  Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?
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Reply #279 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:58pm
 
There is no substantial corroborating evidence....... end of story... what someone says is their point of view....

Would you send a man to the gallows because he chose not to give testimony against a weak case?
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Reply #280 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:09pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:58pm:
There is no substantial corroborating evidence....... end of story... what someone says is their point of view....

Would you send a man to the gallows because he chose not to give testimony against a weak case?


Chalk and cheese.  Dead men tell no tales and cannot give evidence like rape victims.
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Reply #281 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:29pm
 
Brittany might have a bit more credibility if she had have worn panties on the night in question and had her bosses at the the time didn't call her a lying cow etc.
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Reply #282 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:01pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:50am:
If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days. 
If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days.  I haven't reckoned anything apart from ' there is no hard evidence'.  You are getting emotional again, old boy.  Steady... steady.... you'll blow a gasket.


And there is your grave error and why Mothra is correct when she often attacks you as a misogynist.  There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS.  Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?



What the fqq is wrong with you?


I swear you are a moron - there, it's incontrovertible.


And I am a lady.

Touch that.



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Reply #283 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:48pm
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:56am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:01am:


I feel that this is stretching credibility a tad too far.



Some of the commentators here and there are entering la-la land...
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Johnnie wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:29pm:
Brittany might have a bit more credibility if she had have worn panties on the night in question and had her bosses at the the time didn't call her a lying cow etc.



I thought the 'lying cow' was about the way they handled their interview with her.  she says she felt intimidated and under some compulsion to do what they appeared to want - they say that was not the case and they were being supportive, etc.

I don't think that had anything much to do with the actual event.

I am frankly bewildered by the lack of underwear... never heard of such a thing unless it was ready for instant action.  But with that guy?  Not being a woman I am maybe off beam here, but he doesn't look to me like a great scalp to collect.

It's all a very strange case.

If Belgarion and I had been in charge of security it would never have arisen.... and as I said - my office door is always open and all such discussions are fully recorded in a glass room... nothing sneaky in any way and no misunderstandings.

I feel Reynolds let down the side in the way she handled this thing.  A genuine boss would have taken further steps ...... not just offered counseling and maybe a little job transfer, which didn't make Brittany feel very secure.  It appears she felt she was on borrowed time and was being set up anyway, and all the 'support' was meant to make her final demise look good and her own fault.

Looks like it worked...
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