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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #285 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:02pm

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 12:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:50am:

If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days.

If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days. I haven't reckoned anything apart from ' there is no hard evidence'. You are getting emotional again, old boy. Steady... steady.... you'll blow a gasket.

And there is your grave error and why Mothra is correct when she often attacks you as a misogynist. There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS. Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?

What the fqq is wrong with you?

I swear you are a moron - there, it's incontrovertible.

And I am a lady.

Touch that.

It is a single piece of evidence, verbal at best, without a single substantial corroborative piece of evidence. That is insufficient to convict anyone.

You DO understand 'substantial corroborative evidence', don't you? Clearly, Aussie, you are an avid supporter, indeed a fan, of the standard police approach of simply making assertions on oath without any supporting evidence, and that being sufficient for a court....

If so - you are as bad as every corrupt cop in this nation ..... and surely - as a lawyer - you've seen that in action time and time again....

So why the different approach now? Sucking up to City Hall? Institutionalised into the belief that this is the way Law works properly and should always work? That someone can just come along and make an assertion without a single shred of proof and that is sufficient for a hanging?

Where you bin in all those Royal Commissions, consigliere?

WTF is wrong with you? Are you one of those Joans of Arc who want conviction for men purely on the unsupported assertion of a woman?

I ask again - WTF is wrong with you?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #286 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:21pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 12:01pm:

...There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS. Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?

I'd have to disagree with this. The sworn testimony of Brittany Higgins is
NOT "very hard evidence". As has been said numerous times in this thread,
there is no evidence of any kind—not even circumstantial. It's simply her
word against Lehrmann's word, or 'she said', 'he said'.

Not being present at the trial makes it difficult to comment knowledgeably,
but my optimistic guess would be that Lehrmann will be acquitted, with no
case to answer.

BTW, anybody who accepts any sworn testimony as being an authentic record
of the facts it purports to represent is, to say the least, naive.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135998 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #287 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:23pm And the crusty old conservatives continue to condone rape. Dear oh dear
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #288 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:23pm:

And the crusty old conservatives continue to condone rape.

Dear oh dear

I don't see anybody here "condoning" rape. You need to explain
further what you mean by this, as it's a pretty extreme accusation.

And your desperate, puerile pejoratives—"crusty old"—are duly noted.
Is that truly the best you can do? Sad really.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #289 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:02pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 8:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 12:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:50am:

If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days.

If this was the lay down misere you reckon it is, the Jury would not still be deliberating after two days. I haven't reckoned anything apart from ' there is no hard evidence'. You are getting emotional again, old boy. Steady... steady.... you'll blow a gasket.

And there is your grave error and why Mothra is correct when she often attacks you as a misogynist. There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS. Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?

What the fqq is wrong with you?

I swear you are a moron - there, it's incontrovertible.

And I am a lady.

Touch that.

It is a single piece of evidence, verbal at best, without a single substantial corroborative piece of evidence. That is insufficient to convict anyone.

You DO understand 'substantial corroborative evidence', don't you? Clearly, Aussie, you are an avid supporter, indeed a fan, of the standard police approach of simply making assertions on oath without any supporting evidence, and that being sufficient for a court....

If so - you are as bad as every corrupt cop in this nation ..... and surely - as a lawyer - you've seen that in action time and time again....

So why the different approach now? Sucking up to City Hall? Institutionalised into the belief that this is the way Law works properly and should always work? That someone can just come along and make an assertion without a single shred of proof and that is sufficient for a hanging?

Where you bin in all those Royal Commissions, consigliere?

WTF is wrong with you? Are you one of those Joans of Arc who want conviction for men purely on the unsupported assertion of a woman?

I ask again - WTF is wrong with you?

Clearly, I do not speak moron, that's the problem.

I keep telling you there is her hard and consistent evidence, tested under cross-examination, AND that is corroborated by his presence at the scene, his three/four implausible and different explanations for being at the scene, his leaving the scene hurriedly, she being found naked at the scene, her recent complaints......but you fail to comprehend.

My moron is not good enough.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135998 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #290 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33pm Without exception, every time a woman cries rape, the crusty old fat white men in this forum take the side of the alleged rapist. The woman is ALWAYS lying. Disgusting pigs.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #291 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:34pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 12:01pm:

...There is VERY HARD EVIDENCE, including that of the SWORN TESTIMONY OF BRITTANY HIGGINS. Why do you keep pretending it does not exist?

I'd have to disagree with this. The sworn testimony of Brittany Higgins is
NOT "very hard evidence". As has been said numerous times in this thread,
there is no evidence of any kind—not even circumstantial. It's simply her
word against Lehrmann's word, or 'she said', 'he said'.

Not being present at the trial makes it difficult to comment knowledgeably,
but my optimistic guess would be that Lehrmann will be acquitted, with no
case to answer.

BTW, anybody who accepts any sworn testimony as being an authentic record
of the facts it purports to represent is, to say the least, naive.

There are always three truths:-

Side A

Side B

The Truth........ somehow that always lies between the two... any time anyone talks about what the wife/hubby did, I always say the truth is always somewhere between the two.....

In this case, without further evidence, there is no case to answer... as I said a Scottish finding of 'Not Proven' leaves it open to a re-trial at any time on accessing further evidence.... but this boy will walk.

Whatever - the damage is done to all parties........ not least for the way the whole thing was handled..... and maybe that's what it was all about...

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #292 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:37pm

Argue on Aussie - nothing you say is hard substantial corroborative evidence....

I was at the Hilton Bombing - does that mean I did it? I was at a shootout in Kensington... does that mean I was the criminal? I was in Fiji during the Coup... does that mean I caused it or started it? I was in NZ for the Rainbow Warrior investigation... does that mean I blew the ship up?

You need a lot more than that......

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #293 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Without exception, every time a woman cries rape, the crusty old fat white men in this forum take the side of the alleged rapist.

The woman is ALWAYS lying.

Disgusting pigs.

Go back to sleep... your parody is not working.... people actually think you are serious when you make statements such as those above...... nobody is taking the side of anyone other than of Right being done according to Law.....

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135998 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #294 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14pm And of course, if one of these crusty old white guys' daughters were to tell them that they had been raped, they'd say "Everyone is innocent until proven guilty dear". Unless you can produce solid evidence of the sexual assault, we'll just have to assume you're lying". Disgusting pigs.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #295 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Without exception, every time a woman cries rape, the crusty old fat white men in this forum take the side of the alleged rapist.

The woman is ALWAYS lying.

Disgusting pigs.

..... nobody is taking the side of anyone other than of Right being done according to Law.....

So, if a female in your family told you that she had been raped, you'd tell her that her alleged attacker is innocent unless he can be proven guilty.

Yeah?

You disgusting hypocrite.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #296 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:58pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:23pm:

And the crusty old conservatives continue to condone rape.

Dear oh dear

I don't see anybody here "condoning" rape. You need to explain
further what you mean by this, as it's a pretty extreme accusation.

And your desperate, puerile pejoratives—"crusty old"—are duly noted.
Is that truly the best you can do? Sad really.

I have not read a single post by ANYONE condoning rape on this forum. Perhaps Groggy is reading our posts backwards looking for hidden messages 😐

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #297 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:01pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 7:49am: Poll added. Please note that your answer is to be based on the evidence you've seen presented. It should have nothing to do with whether or not you yourself would like to see a conviction or not. Perhaps the poll has upset Groggy???
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #298 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:04pm

I posted this over at Freediver's PA site:

What do you honestly think about the case?

1. I have no idea re whether the guy is guilty based on what the media has revealed.

2. I think that there will be NO CONVICTION based on THE EVIDENCE presented by the Prosecution AND the presumption of innocence until PROVEN GUILTY which defines our legal system.

3. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the guy? I don't like him. At all! He reminds me of the dhead manager who attacked me back when I was 21 at a work function. I was not intoxicated and no rape occurred. But I was assaulted. The 42 yr old intoxicated married manager forced his hands and tongue all over my face and breasts. Unlike Brittany, I wore a bra, undies and corset and unlike Brittany I was not drunk. So I was in full control of my senses and fought my way out of that situation. What I can't get over is this : It's taken me some 30 years to talk about what happened to me (and that's only online and due to this highly publicised case).

4. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the girl? I do like her a bit more. But I don't trust her evidence which is based on what she allegedly REMEMBERS given she was so terribly intoxicated that she couldn't even move during the alleged rape event.

5. I honestly think that IF any sexual activity occurred at all ... then there should be evidence of it. Somewhere. It hasn't come to light though. For all I know ... this could well be a case of Brittany wanting to be with the guy but not getting the response she wanted. On the other hand ... perhaps the person Brittany thought was having sex with her may have been the security guard who covered her OR the alleged event may have even been a very convincing dream whilst totally and utterly pissed as a parrot.

My Conclusions :

1. Where possible do not attend work functions alone. Bring your partner or brother or someone you trust etc. If that's not possible then ARRANGE for that someone you trust to pick you up at a certain time. Preferably after an hour or 2. Work related events go stupid after that.

2. Drink nothing OR 1 glass ( if you feel you need to in order to be part of THE TEAM).

3. If you are a woman and you feel you need to attend a work related function then FFS wear a bra, undies AND corset. Not only will these undergarments make you look great... they actually do keep you safe too. It will take someone longer to attack you and that buys you time to escape OR in the worst case scenario of rape ... these items will provide EVIDENCE.

4. Always remember that you can inform any potential offender that you have HIV or Covid19. It may help. I don't know. If this doesn't help then FFS scratch the offender as it will leave EVIDENCE of scratch marks on HIM AND his DNA in your fingernails.

5. We all have iPhones now. USE THIS incredible device ASAP and let everyone you know about what's happened to you. And that includes 000.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #299 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 10:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Without exception, every time a woman cries rape, the crusty old fat white men in this forum take the side of the alleged rapist.

The woman is ALWAYS lying.

Disgusting pigs.

..... nobody is taking the side of anyone other than of Right being done according to Law.....

So, if a female in your family told you that she had been raped, you'd tell her that her alleged attacker is innocent unless he can be proven guilty.

Yeah?

You disgusting hypocrite.

YES! But that doesn't mean I do not believe her.... besides which - it is not my place to say that to her.... that is the duty of a lawyer or a police officer. I cannot speak for the rights of the accused.

You need to check up on Law.

It seems you are more and more losing it, Greg... you and Kat used to be people I could trust even when we disagreed... now you are becoming as spiteful as a gay tranny told he/she is not a woman/man....

That ridiculous non-issue is dividing this country even more than the stupid politicians have managed over the past forty years.

You know better than that................. are they feeding tranny drugs into the water supply and I am exempt since I am on tank water??

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Question: Will there be a conviction?
Yes 3 (14.3%) No 17 (81.0%) Not sure 1 (4.8%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Lisa Jones on: Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 7:49am »