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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #375 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 4:16pm The accused would be sweating bullets now, so would Brittany but Brittany will will get a book deal either way.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38509 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #376 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:02pm Three full days and the Jury is still undecided. Gee Grappler...how come there is at least one on the Jury who disagrees with you, ey?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44088 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #377 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:36pm If convicted, he'll appeal and will be acquitted on appeal. If acquitted young morons will start gluing themselves to things and thrown stuff on stuff.
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Reply #378 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:38am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 5:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 5:50pm:

Exposed sexual predators and hypocrites.

No Greggary finds sexual predators and rapists in others via many threads here. Too much.

What has Greggary done?

Well all I know is this : Groggy has spent the last 20 yrs defending ACTUAL sexual predators eg Mohammed who preyed on/married little girls. Perhaps this case has made Groggy see the light?? Perhaps the fat old white man and hypocrite he keeps going on about .... is Groggy himself ?

No. Deformed. Always was, always will. gweggy's deformity has never been conceded.
A turd by any other name.
worth studying for those interested in psychic self-mutilation.

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Reply #379 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:39pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:36pm:

If convicted, he'll appeal and will be acquitted on appeal.
If acquitted young morons will start gluing themselves to things and thrown stuff on stuff.

Unless the Trial Judge has made a mistake in her instructions to the Jury, while I have no doubt he will appeal if convicted, his appeal will fail.

This is nothing like the Pell scanario.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 83573 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #380 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm An appeal reviews the facts as well and finds if they were adequate to come to a conclusion..... it's not just about judge's instructions... that's television stuff.
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Reply #381 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:02pm:

Three full days and the Jury is still undecided.

Gee Grappler...how come there is at least one on the Jury who disagrees with you, ey?

The exception that proves the rule.. I predicted a hung jury... that's precisely what is in play at this time.

You losing your marbles? How do you conclude that I've arrived at any conclusive decision on this matter, other than that the evidence is thin?

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Reply #382 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:42pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:36pm:

If convicted, he'll appeal and will be acquitted on appeal.
If acquitted young morons will start gluing themselves to things and thrown stuff on stuff.

That's where we need that French cop to rip their hands off.... hilarious on Twitter... two activist superglued to the road and he just grabbed arms and ripped 'em up. One of 'em - the bloke - fell back screaming - "Maman! Maman!"

Pussy...

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Reply #383 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

An appeal reviews the facts as well and finds if they were adequate to come to a conclusion..... it's not just about judge's instructions... that's television stuff.

An Appeal Court is very loath to upset a Jury's decision on facts. It will only happen if the evidence presented simply could not support a guilty verdict by any strectch.

Television stuff ey?

As I said, you are an offensive moron with just enough knowledge to get you ignored.

Sound familiar in that real life you are quick to regale us all about, Grappler?

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The Court held that, on the assumption that the jury had assessed the complainant's evidence as
thoroughly credible and reliable, the evidence of the opportunity witnesses nonetheless required the
jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a reasonable doubt as to the applicant's guilt in relation
to the offences involved in both alleged incidents. With respect to each of the applicant's
convictions, there was, consistently with the words the Court used in Chidiac v The Queen (1991)
171 CLR 432 at 444 and M v The Queen (1994) 181 CLR 487 at 494, "a significant possibility that
an innocent person has been convicted because the evidence did not establish guilt to the requisite
standard of proof".

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Reply #384 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:13pm

Jarryd Hayne case... but of course we are being premature about any appeal being needed:-

"The jury was given legal directions that were “flawed in almost every possible way”, Game said.

He also succeeded in convincing the appeal court it was an error to overrule a verdict from the first trial in relation to evidence he said explained the complainant’s “abiding interest in having sex with Jarryd Hayne”.

Another two appeal grounds – including that the jury’s verdict was unreasonable – were dismissed."

So the court considers more than just the directions to the jury... maybe in Deep North Queensland the M.1 Garand has two latch pins, but in the US Marines and Army they did not.

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Reply #385 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:19pm

"More than half of offenders (51.6%) convicted following a trial for sexual assault and related offences appealed their conviction.

Upon appeal, a verdict of acquittal was entered in 38.0% of cases, and a new trial was ordered in 60.2% of cases."

https://www.mondaq.com/australia/trials-appeals-compensation/1170092/ex-nrl-play...

Nah then - back to that wrongful conviction argument....... as the honcho of Australia's Wrongfully Convicted, I made it clear from the outset that there is a vast difference between wrongful and malicious conviction ... saying a conviction is or may be wrongful is not saying the accusation was malicious in any way.... though it could be.

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Reply #386 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:34pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Jarryd Hayne case... but of course we are being premature about any appeal being needed:-

"The jury was given legal directions that were “flawed in almost every possible way”, Game said.

He also succeeded in convincing the appeal court it was an error to overrule a verdict from the first trial in relation to evidence he said explained the complainant’s “abiding interest in having sex with Jarryd Hayne”.

Another two appeal grounds – including that the jury’s verdict was unreasonable – were dismissed."

So the court considers more than just the directions to the jury... maybe in Deep North Queensland the M.1 Garand has two latch pins, but in the US Marines and Army they did not.

You cited three 'grounds.'

The first two were errors by a Judge, allowed.....the last.....error by Jury, dismissed.

Do you not read your own 'links?'

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #387 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:38pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:13pm:

Jarryd Hayne case... but of course we are being premature about any appeal being needed:-

"The jury was given legal directions that were “flawed in almost every possible way”, Game said.

He also succeeded in convincing the appeal court it was an error to overrule a verdict from the first trial in relation to evidence he said explained the complainant’s “abiding interest in having sex with Jarryd Hayne”.

Another two appeal grounds – including that the jury’s verdict was unreasonable – were dismissed."

So the court considers more than just the directions to the jury... maybe in Deep North Queensland the M.1 Garand has two latch pins, but in the US Marines and Army they did not.

You cited three 'grounds.'

The first two were errors by a Judge, allowed.....the last.....error by Jury, dismissed.

Do you not read your own 'links?'

The last - thank you for putting your head in the noose - was dismissed - meaning that the judge(s) looked at the interpretation of the evidence given to the jury......

You carried on as if the only reason an appeal would get up is if the judge misdirected the jury... I said not so, they also look at the evidence.

Do you know what you are saying half the time these days, Aussie?

In the case of Lehrmann, he will have many MORE grounds for appeal, not least the thinness of the prosecution case and the lack of any substantive evidence.... compared to Hayne, where there was at least blood and no argument that some form of sexual activity had taken place.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #388 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:41pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

An appeal reviews the facts as well and finds if they were adequate to come to a conclusion..... it's not just about judge's instructions... that's television stuff.

An Appeal Court is very loath to upset a Jury's decision on facts. It will only happen if the evidence presented simply could not support a guilty verdict by any strectch.

Television stuff ey?

As I said, you are an offensive moron with just enough knowledge to get you ignored.

Sound familiar in that real life you are quick to regale us all about, Grappler?

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The Court held that, on the assumption that the jury had assessed the complainant's evidence as
thoroughly credible and reliable, the evidence of the opportunity witnesses nonetheless required the
jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a reasonable doubt as to the applicant's guilt in relation
to the offences involved in both alleged incidents. With respect to each of the applicant's
convictions, there was, consistently with the words the Court used in Chidiac v The Queen (1991)
171 CLR 432 at 444 and M v The Queen (1994) 181 CLR 487 at 494, "a significant possibility that
an innocent person has been convicted because the evidence did not establish guilt to the requisite
standard of proof".

Such as when there is no substantial corroborating evidence of ANY kind.....

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Why do you argue against me by saying the same things as I say? English going? Just playing Captain Mindphuck by twisting like a snake on a hot plate? I'm not a jury or a witness and there is no imbalance of power here for you to make silly assertions on and make things appear to be different ...... you can't fool me with games....

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #389 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:49pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 5:41pm:

An appeal reviews the facts as well and finds if they were adequate to come to a conclusion..... it's not just about judge's instructions... that's television stuff.

An Appeal Court is very loath to upset a Jury's decision on facts. It will only happen if the evidence presented simply could not support a guilty verdict by any strectch.

Television stuff ey?

As I said, you are an offensive moron with just enough knowledge to get you ignored.

Sound familiar in that real life you are quick to regale us all about, Grappler?

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The Court held that, on the assumption that the jury had assessed the complainant's evidence as
thoroughly credible and reliable, the evidence of the opportunity witnesses nonetheless required the
jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a reasonable doubt as to the applicant's guilt in relation
to the offences involved in both alleged incidents. With respect to each of the applicant's
convictions, there was, consistently with the words the Court used in Chidiac v The Queen (1991)
171 CLR 432 at 444 and M v The Queen (1994) 181 CLR 487 at 494, "a significant possibility that
an innocent person has been convicted because the evidence did not establish guilt to the requisite
standard of proof".

Such as when there is no substantial corroborating evidence of ANY kind.....

Roll Eyes

Why do you argue against me by saying the same things as I say? English going? Just playing Captain Mindphuck by twisting like a snake on a hot plate? I'm not a jury or a witness and there is no imbalance of power here for you to make silly assertions on and make things appear to be different ...... you can't fool me with games....

How many times have you got to be told....in the Higgins case...there IS 'corroborative' evidence, and I have listed that evidence.

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