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Reply #450 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:26pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 12:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 9:42am:
Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?



Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!

There's simply NO OTHER EVIDENCE! And I'm stating this based on what the media has revealed to us about the matter.


No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said   Roll Eyes


You are assuming that a rape happened.

There is no proof of that happening.


If I clocked you, and you then went to the Cops to complain about my assault......when you get in the witness box and swear that I clocked you, will you then tell the Judge that there is no proof that I clocked you...ie......he can just forget you ever sat in the box and gave evidence?
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Reply #451 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:29pm
 

No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Fact.
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Reply #452 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:30pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 12:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 12:19pm:
Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.


Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?


I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.




Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash.  You leave the Bank.  I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money.  You do.  No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?


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Reply #453 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm
 
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #454 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:17pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 12:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 9:42am:
Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?



Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!


No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said   Roll Eyes


It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!



All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear   Roll Eyes


Oi Gweggy/Bwian

1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it (for some stupid reason). I immediately jumped on that remark to inform you that it's such a basic and regarded fact that it doesn't need to be mentioned (over and over again).

3. You must seriously be drunk yourself right now if you don't get the issue that's bugging everyone here on OzPol AND there with the Jury ie lack of evidence. ALL we have is this : DOUBT.

4. The fact that the jury is taking so long to deliver its verdict indicates better chances for the defendant. Not Brittany!

Note : IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome I trust that we will ALL be mature enough to accept the verdict gracefully and to move on as forum members.

If anything we would do well to be mindful of this reality : these court proceedings have been one of the most stressful and intimidating events in someone's life. Thank God it wasn't yours or mine.

Cheers.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #455 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?



Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #456 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:29pm:
No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Fact.


👆 He's in the wrong topic. And wrong forum. And he's clearly under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

(This apparently happens if you've been posting across 4 or more forums non stop for 20 years).

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #457 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:37pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:17pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 12:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 9:42am:
Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?



Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!


No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said   Roll Eyes


It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!



All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear   Roll Eyes


Oi Gweggy/Bwian

1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it ...



You mentioned it first, and I then commented on your ridiculous statement.

And now you're making things worse by lying.

Dear oh dear   Roll Eyes

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #458 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm
 
Here's the thing:

Zero physical evidence.
No DNA. Zero, zip, nada.

The defendant is not claiming that he had sex with the other party and that she was willing but then said stop.

The defendant is claiming there was no sex at all.

I'm going on what I have been able to gather from the case reports in the media.

So, whether I think there was a rape or not has no bearing on the point I am making which is:

Without any physical evidence at all of any sexual activity and no independent witness as to what may have or may not have taken place, the jury MUST have some level of reasonable doubt.

After 4 days + they can't reach a unanimous finding.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #459 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?



Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.


👆 BS! Of course ALL Groggy has done in this topic is falsely accuse other OzPol members of doing what he himself has been doing for some 20 years online!

And he's taken Brittany's side from the get go! As well as assume that we think that drunk people are fair game for rape.

Which is why we keep hearing this from him : No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

That's it! That's the extent of Gwoggy's "contributions".

Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful!

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Reply #460 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?



Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.


And he's taken Brittany's side from the get go!


Really?

Show me a post where I've done that.  Just one will do.

I've not taken anyone's side in this case, and you know it.

You're just upset because I caught you out using drunkenness as an excuse for rape.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes
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Reply #461 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:51pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:39pm:
Here's the thing:

Zero physical evidence.
No DNA. Zero, zip, nada.

The defendant is not claiming that he had sex with the other party and that she was willing but then said stop.

The defendant is claiming there was no sex at all.

I'm going on what I have been able to gather from the case reports in the media.

So, whether I think there was a rape or not has no bearing on the point I am making which is:

Without any physical evidence at all of any sexual activity and no independent witness as to what may have or may not have taken place, the jury MUST have some level of reasonable doubt.

After 4 days + they can't reach a unanimous finding.



Why? Because DOUBT prevails!

The burden of proof is BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT!

He's going to get off!

We just need to accept it was a difficult case and learn a few lessons.

I've stated what these lessons are previously. As women we must be vigilant and diligent at all times! IF we know we are going to be drinking alcohol at some function then we need to plan ahead regarding how we get home in a timely and safe manner. The same applies to our daughters, nieces, female cousins. We just have to plan ahead and be very careful. Also we need to talk more about rape/sexual assault/intimidation etc because it can take years for someone to speak up about work related issues like this. It took me 30 years to speak up about what happened to me and I only did so because of this case AND the passage of time helped me a bit too.

I don't want to see another case like this before the courts. It's clearly been stressful for those involved as well as for others who have sons, daughters or have been previously sexually assaulted/raped.

Moving forward I think Australia needs to have more open conversations about how we can keep ourselves and others safe at functions/get togethers.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #462 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?



Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.


And he's taken Brittany's side from the get go!


Really?

Show me a post where I've done that.  Just one will do.

I've not taken anyone's side in this case, and you know it.

You're just upset because I caught you out using drunkenness as an excuse for rape.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes


Sleep (whatever nasty stuff you've taken) off ok Groggy/Bwian.

Come back later.

Tsk Tsk

Getting back to the topic ....I did post something over at Freediver's PA forum about taking steps to be safe.

Note when I refer to safety I mean for both males AND females. ie it keeps everyone safe from being attacked or accused. BRB.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #463 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:35pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?



Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.


Book into rehab, greg... you are losing it seriously

People predicting the outcome and stating why is not taking sides... there is no 'side' in the law... it is or it isn't, and there are rules.
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Reply #464 - Oct 26th, 2022 at 2:00pm
 
I posted this last week over at Freediver's PA forum.


What do you honestly think about the case?

1. I have no idea re whether the guy is guilty based on what the media has revealed.

2. I think that there will be NO CONVICTION based on THE EVIDENCE presented by the Prosecution AND the presumption of innocence until PROVEN GUILTY which defines our legal system.

3. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the guy? I don't like him. At all! He reminds me of the dhead manager who attacked me back when I was 21 at a work function. I was not intoxicated and no rape occurred. But I was assaulted. The 42 yr old intoxicated married manager forced his hands and tongue all over my face and breasts. Unlike Brittany, I wore a bra, undies and corset and unlike Brittany I was not drunk. So I was in full control of my senses and fought my way out of that situation. What I can't get over is this : It's taken me some 30 years to talk about what happened to me (and that's only online and due to this highly publicised case).

4. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the girl? I do like her a bit more. But I don't trust her evidence which is based on what she allegedly REMEMBERS given she was so terribly intoxicated that she couldn't even move during the alleged rape event.

5. I honestly think that IF any sexual activity occurred at all ... then there should be evidence of it. Somewhere. It hasn't come to light though. For all I know ... this could well be a case of Brittany wanting to be with the guy but not getting the response she wanted. On the other hand ... perhaps the person Brittany thought was having sex with her may have been the security guard who covered her OR the alleged event may have even been a very convincing dream whilst totally and utterly pissed as a parrot.

My Conclusions :

1. Where possible do not attend work functions alone. Bring your partner or brother or someone you trust etc. If that's not possible then ARRANGE for that someone you trust to pick you up at a certain time. Preferably after an hour or 2. Work related events go stupid after that.

2. Drink nothing OR 1 glass ( if you feel you need to in order to be part of THE TEAM).

3. If you are a woman and you feel you need to attend a work related function then FFS wear a bra, undies AND corset. Not only will these undergarments make you look great... they actually do keep you safe too. It will take someone longer to attack you and that buys you time to escape OR in the worst case scenario of rape ... these items will provide EVIDENCE.

4. Always remember that you can inform any potential offender that you have HIV or Covid19. It may help. I don't know. If this doesn't help then FFS scratch the offender as it will leave EVIDENCE of scratch marks on HIM AND his DNA in your fingernails.

5. We all have iPhones now. USE THIS incredible device ASAP and let everyone you know about what's happened to you. And that includes 000.
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