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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #465 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:01pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

False equivalence....

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #466 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:01pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?

Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.

And he's taken Brittany's side from the get go!

Really?

Show me a post where I've done that. Just one will do.

I've not taken anyone's side in this case, and you know it.

You're just upset because I caught you out using drunkenness as an excuse for rape.

Tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Sleep (whatever nasty stuff you've taken) off ok Groggy/Bwian.

White flag accepted.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #467 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

I posted this last week over at Freediver's PA forum.

What do you honestly think about the case?

1. I have no idea re whether the guy is guilty based on what the media has revealed.

2. I think that there will be NO CONVICTION based on THE EVIDENCE presented by the Prosecution AND the presumption of innocence until PROVEN GUILTY which defines our legal system.

3. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the guy? I don't like him. At all! He reminds me of the dhead manager who attacked me back when I was 21 at a work function. I was not intoxicated and no rape occurred. But I was assaulted. The 42 yr old intoxicated married manager forced his hands and tongue all over my face and breasts. Unlike Brittany, I wore a bra, undies and corset and unlike Brittany I was not drunk. So I was in full control of my senses and fought my way out of that situation. What I can't get over is this : It's taken me some 30 years to talk about what happened to me (and that's only online and due to this highly publicised case).

4. My honest/deep seated personal impression of the girl? I do like her a bit more. But I don't trust her evidence which is based on what she allegedly REMEMBERS given she was so terribly intoxicated that she couldn't even move during the alleged rape event.

5. I honestly think that IF any sexual activity occurred at all ... then there should be evidence of it. Somewhere. It hasn't come to light though. For all I know ... this could well be a case of Brittany wanting to be with the guy but not getting the response she wanted. On the other hand ... perhaps the person Brittany thought was having sex with her may have been the security guard who covered her OR the alleged event may have even been a very convincing dream whilst totally and utterly pissed as a parrot.

My Conclusions :

1. Where possible do not attend work functions alone. Bring your partner or brother or someone you trust etc. If that's not possible then ARRANGE for that someone you trust to pick you up at a certain time. Preferably after an hour or 2. Work related events go stupid after that.

2. Drink nothing OR 1 glass ( if you feel you need to in order to be part of THE TEAM).

3. If you are a woman and you feel you need to attend a work related function then FFS wear a bra, undies AND corset. Not only will these undergarments make you look great... they actually do keep you safe too. It will take someone longer to attack you and that buys you time to escape OR in the worst case scenario of rape ... these items will provide EVIDENCE.

4. Always remember that you can inform any potential offender that you have HIV or Covid19. It may help. I don't know. If this doesn't help then FFS scratch the offender as it will leave EVIDENCE of scratch marks on HIM AND his DNA in your fingernails.

5. We all have iPhones now. USE THIS incredible device ASAP and let everyone you know about what's happened to you. And that includes 000.

Some good ideas there.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83557 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #468 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:23pm There is no evidence of any 'money' being taken in the Higgins case other than a say-so ... huge difference.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #469 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:25pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?

Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!

No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said Roll Eyes

It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!

All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

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1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it (for some stupid reason). I immediately jumped on that remark to inform you that it's such a basic and regarded fact that it doesn't need to be mentioned (over and over again).

3. You must seriously be drunk yourself right now if you don't get the issue that's bugging everyone here on OzPol AND there with the Jury ie lack of evidence. ALL we have is this : DOUBT.

4. The fact that the jury is taking so long to deliver its verdict indicates better chances for the defendant. Not Brittany!

Note : IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome I trust that we will ALL be mature enough to accept the verdict gracefully and to move on as forum members.

If anything we would do well to be mindful of this reality : these court proceedings have been one of the most stressful and intimidating events in someone's life. Thank God it wasn't yours or mine.

Cheers.

Absolute rubbish.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38509 Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #470 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:28pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:23pm: There is no evidence of any 'money' being taken in the Higgins case other than a say-so ... huge difference. Other than the say so of my robbery victim, there is no evidence of any robbery. Get it? ferfuxsake!
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #471 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:29pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?

Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!

No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said Roll Eyes

It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!

All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Oi Gweggy/Bwian

1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it (for some stupid reason). I immediately jumped on that remark to inform you that it's such a basic and regarded fact that it doesn't need to be mentioned (over and over again).

3. You must seriously be drunk yourself right now if you don't get the issue that's bugging everyone here on OzPol AND there with the Jury ie lack of evidence. ALL we have is this : DOUBT.

4. The fact that the jury is taking so long to deliver its verdict indicates better chances for the defendant. Not Brittany!

Note : IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome I trust that we will ALL be mature enough to accept the verdict gracefully and to move on as forum members.

If anything we would do well to be mindful of this reality : these court proceedings have been one of the most stressful and intimidating events in someone's life. Thank God it wasn't yours or mine.

Cheers.

Absolute rubbish.

Aussie ... if Brittany loses this case ... what are you going to do?

Carry on like an idiot? I hope not!

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #472 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?

Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!

No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said Roll Eyes

It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!

All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Oi Gweggy/Bwian

1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it (for some stupid reason). I immediately jumped on that remark to inform you that it's such a basic and regarded fact that it doesn't need to be mentioned (over and over again).

3. You must seriously be drunk yourself right now if you don't get the issue that's bugging everyone here on OzPol AND there with the Jury ie lack of evidence. ALL we have is this : DOUBT.

4. The fact that the jury is taking so long to deliver its verdict indicates better chances for the defendant. Not Brittany!

Note : IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome I trust that we will ALL be mature enough to accept the verdict gracefully and to move on as forum members.

If anything we would do well to be mindful of this reality : these court proceedings have been one of the most stressful and intimidating events in someone's life. Thank God it wasn't yours or mine.

Cheers.

Absolute rubbish.

Aussie ... if Brittany loses this case ... what are you going to do?

Carry on like an idiot? I hope not!

I'll say that a guilty man walked free. Nothing unusual about that.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #473 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

In a court, isn't it a matter of what you can prove?

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Reply #474 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Obviously "No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape." is a correct statement.

I thought we were in the context of a particular case at hand ... i.e. the topic of this thread?

Yes, and yes.

And again, I'm not assuming a rape has happened in this case.

I have never claimed that the alleged rapist in this case is guilty.

My comments are about how the fat, white, old men always take the alleged rapist's side in these matters.

I'm not taking anyone's side - I'm keeping an open mind and waiting for the outcome of the trial.

Pity others can't do the same.

And he's taken Brittany's side from the get go!

Really?

Show me a post where I've done that. Just one will do.

I've not taken anyone's side in this case, and you know it.

You're just upset because I caught you out using drunkenness as an excuse for rape.

Tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Sleep (whatever nasty stuff you've taken) off ok Groggy/Bwian.

White flag accepted.

Ummm that white "flag" is actually my white tissue. If I were you I would not have accepted it. Why? I've been blowing my nose in it for the past 30 minutes as I have a bad cold.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #475 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:32pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

In a court, isn't it a matter of what you can prove?

Of course it is.

I have robbed Nemo. He gives evidence I did. Is that not evidence that I robbed him? If a Jury believes him, I can be convicted.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #476 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:35pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

Fat, white, old men still defending alleged rapists rather than taking the word of the woman.

The woman is always lying, and the man is always the victim.

Would it be the same if it was their daughter?

Not this same lunatic ranting spam again! Groggy lay off the drugs!

Unlike you bozo some of us really do have daughters AND sons! I would not want MY son going to prison on the say so of a woman who was too drunk to know WTF happened to her!

No matter how drunk a woman gets, it's not an invitation for rape.

Pretty sad that this needs to be said Roll Eyes

It's pretty lame that YOU think it needs to be said.

We've all moved on from that basic point. And we all did that when the topic STARTED ffs!

All except you - you're the one who just mentioned it.
Dear oh dear Roll Eyes

Oi Gweggy/Bwian

1. Where's your Tsk tsk ??

2. Read back moron! YOU mentioned it (for some stupid reason). I immediately jumped on that remark to inform you that it's such a basic and regarded fact that it doesn't need to be mentioned (over and over again).

3. You must seriously be drunk yourself right now if you don't get the issue that's bugging everyone here on OzPol AND there with the Jury ie lack of evidence. ALL we have is this : DOUBT.

4. The fact that the jury is taking so long to deliver its verdict indicates better chances for the defendant. Not Brittany!

Note : IRRESPECTIVE of the outcome I trust that we will ALL be mature enough to accept the verdict gracefully and to move on as forum members.

If anything we would do well to be mindful of this reality : these court proceedings have been one of the most stressful and intimidating events in someone's life. Thank God it wasn't yours or mine.

Cheers.

Absolute rubbish.

Aussie ... if Brittany loses this case ... what are you going to do?

Carry on like an idiot? I hope not!

I'll say that a guilty man walked free. Nothing unusual about that.

Ok. Fair enough. I just hope that the verdict does not change us as Ozpol forum members.

We must do everything we can to remember that no matter what happens : WE WILL ALL REMAIN FRENEMIES 😊

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #477 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:37pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

In a court, isn't it a matter of what you can prove?

Of course it is.

I have robbed Nemo. He gives evidence I did. Is that not evidence that I robbed him? If a Jury believes him, I can be convicted.

Not that I'm a lawyer, but one word against another... Would the Prosecutions department even bother with a prosecution? They do assess the likelihood of a prosecution, don't they?

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Reply #478 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

In a court, isn't it a matter of what you can prove?

Of course it is.

I have robbed Nemo. He gives evidence I did. Is that not evidence that I robbed him? If a Jury believes him, I can be convicted.

Not that I'm a lawyer, but one word against another... Would the Prosecutions department even bother with a prosecution? They do assess the likelihood of a prosecution, don't they?

They are obliged to.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #479 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:44pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 1:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

Zero physical evidence of anything taking place.

There must be reasonable doubt.

Why do you pretend that Higgins never swore she was raped?

Why do you pretend that Lehrmann has never, under oath, denied her allegations?

I said Zero physical evidence.

I am saying without that evidence there must be reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Oh...so you have just been to the Bank...withdrawn $1000.00 in cash. You leave the Bank. I put a gun at your head and demand you hand me the money. You do. No-one saw me there, no-one saw the robbery other than you.

I leave, and then I hide the money and it's never found.

Did I rob you?

In a court, isn't it a matter of what you can prove?

Of course it is.

I have robbed Nemo. He gives evidence I did. Is that not evidence that I robbed him? If a Jury believes him, I can be convicted.

Not that I'm a lawyer, but one word against another... Would the Prosecutions department even bother with a prosecution? They do assess the likelihood of a prosecution, don't they?

They are obliged to.

That's interesting. So they're obliged to proceed even without any prospect of a conviction?

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