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Reply #540 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:53am
 
Apparently the juror's own research was reading this Ozool thread.

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Reply #541 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:49am:
Do you understand what the word private means?

Do you understand what 'I accuse' means?
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Reply #542 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:14pm
 
Brittany Higgins is doing herself no favours by going public today in a speech about the case.

She might be charged with contempt of court.

She may get the proposed February retrial dumped.

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Reply #543 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:17pm
 
So, who is with me on calling 'bullshit?'

The story is that some bailiff was cleaning up the jury room and accidentally knocked a box off the table.  It was plastic and a box which each juror has to put bits of paper they have...notes on evidence, whatever.

Picking up the stuff that fell out of the box, the bailiff sees the naughty material, and heads off to the Judge with it.

Now, does anyone believe that it was an accident.  OR....is this far more plausible?

The Bailiff has ready and frequent access to the jurors and the jury room.  They will and do overhear jury talks, but they are not supposed to be in the room when 'formal' discussions are being held.  But, they do get to talk directly to each juror...plenty of opportunity.

I reckon this bailiff (maybe at the Judge's suggestion....naughty) has looked for the reason which was holding up a decision.  They wanted to know what the issue was which was deadlocking finality.

Bailiff has wind that there has been talk about evidence of false complaints being discussed and has been told which juror is leading that charge.

Said bailiff has deliberately gone to that juror's box knowing naughty stuff was in it.

The accidental knock off the table is a cover up...plausible deniability.

Bailiff goes to Judge with the goods and down hill from there.

Grappler, have you been posting from the jury room or in some way, have you been tampering with this Jury?  Research on false rape complaints as found in the box is right up your alley and consistent with your posts here.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #544 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:38am:
Higgins 'When I did speak up, I never fully understood our asymmetrical criminal justice system but I do now.'

What a hide.

Who went to the media? Who flaunted her story to all Australians and the world? Who destroyed evidence?


What she says is spot on, and I agree with her....BUT......I 100% say that she was stupid in making this statement today.  Gives Lehrmann more ammunition to argue that he cannot get a fair trial.  Dumb woman or dumb advisors!  Fuqqin' idiots.


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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #545 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:22pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:49am:
Do you understand what the word private means?

Do you understand what 'I accuse' means?



Yes.
Is it possible that private matters not relevant to the case were
exposed by her emails?
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #546 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:20pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:38am:
Higgins 'When I did speak up, I never fully understood our asymmetrical criminal justice system but I do now.'

What a hide.

Who went to the media? Who flaunted her story to all Australians and the world? Who destroyed evidence?


What she says is spot on, and I agree with her....BUT......I 100% say that she was stupid in making this statement today.  Gives Lehrmann more ammunition to argue that he cannot get a fair trial.  Dumb woman or dumb advisors!  Fuqqin' idiots.





Was it against the law for her to talk?
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Reply #547 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:20pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:38am:
Higgins 'When I did speak up, I never fully understood our asymmetrical criminal justice system but I do now.'

What a hide.

Who went to the media? Who flaunted her story to all Australians and the world? Who destroyed evidence?


What she says is spot on, and I agree with her....BUT......I 100% say that she was stupid in making this statement today.  Gives Lehrmann more ammunition to argue that he cannot get a fair trial.  Dumb woman or dumb advisors!  Fuqqin' idiots.





Was it against the law for her to talk?


No.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #548 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:26pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
So, who is with me on calling 'bullshit?'

The story is that some bailiff was cleaning up the jury room and accidentally knocked a box off the table.  It was plastic and a box which each juror has to put bits of paper they have...notes on evidence, whatever.

Picking up the stuff that fell out of the box, the bailiff sees the naughty material, and heads off to the Judge with it.

Now, does anyone believe that it was an accident.  OR....is this far more plausible?

The Bailiff has ready and frequent access to the jurors and the jury room.  They will and do overhear jury talks, but they are not supposed to be in the room when 'formal' discussions are being held.  But, they do get to talk directly to each juror...plenty of opportunity.

I reckon this bailiff (maybe at the Judge's suggestion....naughty) has looked for the reason which was holding up a decision.  They wanted to know what the issue was which was deadlocking finality.

Bailiff has wind that there has been talk about evidence of false complaints being discussed and has been told which juror is leading that charge.

Said bailiff has deliberately gone to that juror's box knowing naughty stuff was in it.

The accidental knock off the table is a cover up...plausible deniability.

Bailiff goes to Judge with the goods and down hill from there.

Grappler, have you been posting from the jury room or in some way, have you been tampering with this Jury?  Research on false rape complaints as found in the box is right up your alley and consistent with your posts here.

Cheesy




It sounds no more relevant to me than a juror using their life
experience to help them make a decision.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #549 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:20pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 11:38am:
Higgins 'When I did speak up, I never fully understood our asymmetrical criminal justice system but I do now.'

What a hide.

Who went to the media? Who flaunted her story to all Australians and the world? Who destroyed evidence?


What she says is spot on, and I agree with her....BUT......I 100% say that she was stupid in making this statement today.  Gives Lehrmann more ammunition to argue that he cannot get a fair trial.  Dumb woman or dumb advisors!  Fuqqin' idiots.





Was it against the law for her to talk?


Probably was against the law for her make a public speech since the case is set for retrial in February.

Participants in a case are directed to make no public remarks. The case was not over, only this particular proceeding was dismissed.

The defence is considering placing a charge.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #550 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:28pm
 
Higgins is caught up in the vortex of a feminine instinct for reputation destruction.

That far outweighs whatever justice can be done by a trial.

Sure, a conviction would be the ultimate prize, but there are plenty of victories to be had by continuing her crusade beyond the justice system.

'Justice, schmusitice - destroy the 'enemy' by reputation destruction. Destroy his chances of ever being employed again. Ensure that, proven guilty or not, he will be treated with suspicion and disdain.

How has Higgins' behaviour advanced the cause for victims of this very serious crime? Who among us is not a least a little cynical over her behaviour? Who would say that Higgins herself has not insinuated reasonable doubt into the minds of potential jurists?

Maybe Peter Fitzsimons could write a book about that.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #551 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:32pm
 
She has a good point here:

Brittany Higgins,
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I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #552 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:32pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
So, who is with me on calling 'bullshit?'

The story is that some bailiff was cleaning up the jury room and accidentally knocked a box off the table.  It was plastic and a box which each juror has to put bits of paper they have...notes on evidence, whatever.

Picking up the stuff that fell out of the box, the bailiff sees the naughty material, and heads off to the Judge with it.

Now, does anyone believe that it was an accident.  OR....is this far more plausible?

The Bailiff has ready and frequent access to the jurors and the jury room.  They will and do overhear jury talks, but they are not supposed to be in the room when 'formal' discussions are being held.  But, they do get to talk directly to each juror...plenty of opportunity.

I reckon this bailiff (maybe at the Judge's suggestion....naughty) has looked for the reason which was holding up a decision.  They wanted to know what the issue was which was deadlocking finality.

Bailiff has wind that there has been talk about evidence of false complaints being discussed and has been told which juror is leading that charge.

Said bailiff has deliberately gone to that juror's box knowing naughty stuff was in it.

The accidental knock off the table is a cover up...plausible deniability.

Bailiff goes to Judge with the goods and down hill from there.

Grappler, have you been posting from the jury room or in some way, have you been tampering with this Jury?  Research on false rape complaints as found in the box is right up your alley and consistent with your posts here.

Was the bailiff wearing a trenchcoat, a hat and shades?
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Reply #553 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:32pm:
She has a good point here:

Brittany Higgins,
Quote:
I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

What's her good point?

She was revealing enough to the media as it suited her.

Sealing a book deal - Don't you think she'd have to give the author every detail including revealing private messages and discussions?
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #554 - Oct 27th, 2022 at 12:40pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 10:09am:
Frank wrote on Oct 27th, 2022 at 10:04am:
Jury in rape trial of Bruce Lehrmann discharged after trial is aborted over juror misconductlp


Really?   ^^^^^   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I omitted to add that the DPP will consider whether to go ahead, but I will be stunned if they do not.

Also, contrary to previously, Lehrmann is now on bail conditions....which is a bit of an indication about what the Judge reckons.



It's pretty normal, Aussie - no big deal.... the Judge is neutral remember - unless you have an assymetric judicial system...
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