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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102349 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins Reply #570 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm Brittany Higgins, Quote: I was required to surrender: my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him. He was not required to produce his: telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.
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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #571 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:39pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

""I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length.

"I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him."

Honey - I hate to break it to you, but that's the way all accusers have to go.

But it will discourage other women from coming forward when they are raped.

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Reply #572 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:44pm

Well - she's doing her best, on the advice of her lawyers and her ghost writer - to derail this case so as to increase the potential victimhood and 'make a statement', get a name etc....

Jesus.... all this to sell a book? Make a play for Aussie Of The Year next time? Kickstart a career in politics for herself?

She doesn't come across very well.... sorry 'bout that...

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #573 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Brittany Higgins,

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I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

[/quote]
Anyway, so after she beared her soul to the media, Higgins was non-plussed by the justice system which is structured to test the veracity of her claims via cross-examination.

Even TV court dramas demonstrate how that works.

What, exactly, did this articulate and intelligent woman not understand about the process prior to stepping into the witness box?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #575 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:49pm

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oct/27/brittany-higgins-referred-afp-police...

Brittany Higgins referred to police by Bruce Lehrmann’s lawyers
for comments after aborted rape trial

Higgins spoke to media after trial of Lehrmann was aborted
by judge following discovery that a juror brought outside research into jury room.

In a statement, Lehrmann’s barrister, Steven Whybrow, noted the Australian Capital Territory’s chief justice, Lucy McCallum, had made “strong comments about people making statements or comments that could prejudice a fair trial”.

“We have brought these comments to the attention of the court and the Australian federal police, and it is not appropriate for Mr Lehrmann or his lawyers to make any comment as to whether the complainant’s statements might amount to a contempt of court or offences against the ACT Criminal Code,” he said.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #576 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:49pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

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Under the first condition, he is not allowed to contact Ms Higgins, her partner David Sharaz, Kelly Higgins or Matthew Higgins.

The second condition states he must also inform AFP officers of his residential address or if his residential address changes.

The third condition will see Mr Lehrmann required to inform the AFP if he plans to travel overseas prior to the trial starting.

This must be done at least two weeks prior to leaving the country.

That reads like standard conditions given the seriousness of the charge and the national hype.

Don't go near her (as if he would).

Don't go into hiding.

Don't skip the country (has his passport been surrendered?)

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #577 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:50pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:26pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

Jury in rape trial of Bruce Lehrmann discharged after trial is aborted over juror misconductlp

Really? ^^^^^ Roll Eyes

I omitted to add that the DPP will consider whether to go ahead, but I will be stunned if they do not.

Also, contrary to previously, Lehrmann is now on bail conditions....which is a bit of an indication about what the Judge reckons.

It's pretty normal, Aussie - no big deal.... the Judge is neutral remember - unless you have an assymetric judicial system...

Fuq you are stupid!

He has never been on any conditional bail before today!

Fuq you are stupid - what are the conditions? Surrender his passport, don't go near her etc....what are they?

So now being placed on conditional bail is an indication of guilt?

Talk about assymetric.....

Who said anything about an 'indication of guilt?' The Judge has now concluded that he needs to have conditional bail, something he did not have previously. What intervened?

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Under the first condition, he is not allowed to contact Ms Higgins, her partner David Sharaz, Kelly Higgins or Matthew Higgins.

The second condition states he must also inform AFP officers of his residential address or if his residential address changes.

The third condition will see Mr Lehrmann required to inform the AFP if he plans to travel overseas prior to the trial starting.

This must be done at least two weeks prior to leaving the country.

As I said - normal.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #578 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

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Under the first condition, he is not allowed to contact Ms Higgins, her partner David Sharaz, Kelly Higgins or Matthew Higgins.

The second condition states he must also inform AFP officers of his residential address or if his residential address changes.

The third condition will see Mr Lehrmann required to inform the AFP if he plans to travel overseas prior to the trial starting.

This must be done at least two weeks prior to leaving the country.

That reads like standard conditions given the seriousness of the charge and the national hype.

Don't go near her (as if he would).

Don't go into hiding.

Don't skip the country (has his passport been surrendered?)

But...those conditions were never part of his bail before today. Do you agree, or must I prove that as well?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #579 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Brittany Higgins,

Quote:

I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

Anyway, so after she beared her soul to the media, Higgins was non-plussed by the justice system which is structured to test the veracity of her claims via cross-examination.

Even TV court dramas demonstrate how that works.

What, exactly, did this articulate and intelligent woman not understand about the process prior to stepping into the witness box?

But he couldn't even be asked one question.

This is injustice.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #580 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Brittany Higgins,

Quote:

I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

Anyway, so after she beared her soul to the media, Higgins was non-plussed by the justice system which is structured to test the veracity of her claims via cross-examination.

Even TV court dramas demonstrate how that works.

What, exactly, did this articulate and intelligent woman not understand about the process prior to stepping into the witness box?

But he couldn't even be asked one question.

This is injustice.

You and Stalin would have got on.

He loved a fair trial, so long as everyone was compelled to give evidence against themselves and someone got shot at the end of it.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #581 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Brittany Higgins,

Quote:

I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

Anyway, so after she beared her soul to the media, Higgins was non-plussed by the justice system which is structured to test the veracity of her claims via cross-examination.

Even TV court dramas demonstrate how that works.

What, exactly, did this articulate and intelligent woman not understand about the process prior to stepping into the witness box?

But he couldn't even be asked one question.

This is injustice.

You and Stalin would have got on.

He loved a fair trial, so long as everyone was compelled to give evidence against themselves and someone got shot at the end of it.

I don't agree with our judicial system.
He should also face questions.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #582 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

I don't agree with our judicial system.
He should also face questions.

So you don't agree with the right to remain silent, then. Just like Stalin.

How would you plan on getting information out of someone? A lead pipe or electricals on their genitals?

If you think the police and the DPP are your friends if you're in their sights, well... Buona fortuna if you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #583 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:11pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm:

Quote:

Under the first condition, he is not allowed to contact Ms Higgins, her partner David Sharaz, Kelly Higgins or Matthew Higgins.

The second condition states he must also inform AFP officers of his residential address or if his residential address changes.

The third condition will see Mr Lehrmann required to inform the AFP if he plans to travel overseas prior to the trial starting.

This must be done at least two weeks prior to leaving the country.

That reads like standard conditions given the seriousness of the charge and the national hype.

Don't go near her (as if he would).

Don't go into hiding.

Don't skip the country (has his passport been surrendered?)

But...those conditions were never part of his bail before today. Do you agree, or must I prove that as well?

Your point being?

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Re: Trial of Brittany Higgins's alleged rapist begins
Reply #584 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Brittany Higgins,

Quote:

I was required to surrender:
my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos, and my data to him.

He was not required to produce his:
telephone, his passwords,messages, photos or his data.

Anyway, so after she beared her soul to the media, Higgins was non-plussed by the justice system which is structured to test the veracity of her claims via cross-examination.

Even TV court dramas demonstrate how that works.

What, exactly, did this articulate and intelligent woman not understand about the process prior to stepping into the witness box?

But he couldn't even be asked one question.

This is injustice.

No - this is the way the Law works.

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