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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #105 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:17pm

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:37pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:

repudiate European cultural heritage.

Eliza Fraser was ship-wrecked, which is cultural heritage. She was a liar and sent to a mental hospital. Heritage hospital, probably, but in England. Is that cultural, and if so why? The Butchalla have the amount of cultural dominance that Frank allows. Zero. But they can apply through government channels to the Place Names of Qld Dept Environment. Same as Frank can.

China had many inventions before Europeans had them, with writing. Many Chinese are very academic today, beating Anglo Saxons. Frank is arguing for Chinese culture in Australia to prevail by its superiority.

I am sensing athos/great cleavage/random stupidity.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #106 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren. I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time. Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian. Tsk, tsk Tongue

But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.

Danes were once Vikings. They used to go adventuring, rather than sit at home and grow old before their hearths. They used to rape, burn, pillage more established folks because the established folk sat at home and grew old before their hearths. Time to grow up, Soren and stop wandering the world like a child. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

They developed. Aborigines did not.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11913 Armidale Gender:	Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari Reply #107 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:22pm Chinese developed more. Frank's logic is Frank's. (Frank and Adolf)
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 47718 Gender:	Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari Reply #108 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:31pm chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:22pm: Chinese developed more. Frank's logic is Frank's. (Frank and Adolf) You tell us how that is relevant. The Chinese developed a writing system. Aborigines did not. So..... what exactly does that illustrate??? Do spell it out.
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #109 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:39pm

How is Frank relevant? Frank is a poster in ozpolitic, an infectious cess-pit of the highly developed.

'China had many inventions before Europeans had them, with writing. Many Chinese are very academic today, beating Anglo Saxons'.

Frank says writing is crucial to Butchulla maintaining their island legend about the goddess K'Gari. As the name was retained virginally and unsullied by Europeans for centuries, then writing was irrelevant, a fake development and not a Celtic tradition or used for Stonehenge apparently.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #110 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:50pm

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren. I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time. Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian. Tsk, tsk Tongue

But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.

Danes were once Vikings. They used to go adventuring, rather than sit at home and grow old before their hearths. They used to rape, burn, pillage more established folks because the established folk sat at home and grew old before their hearths. Time to grow up, Soren and stop wandering the world like a child. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

They developed. Aborigines did not.

How do you know, Soren? They may not have developed materially but how do you know they didn't develop morally/etc.? Your ideas on most things appear to be Western centric ones, unfortunately. I'm still waiting for you to reveal evidence that I have "characterised typical Australians as beer-swilling drunken yobs in blue singlets and thongs. As racist rednecks, white supremacists, Islamophobes..." Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari Reply #111 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:52pm Call it whatever you want.... It'll always be Fraser Island to the locals that use and love the place. How do the abos spell the word they want to change the name to? Not the english word written in the title, but the native abo word. What's the word look like?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11913 Armidale Gender:	Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari Reply #112 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:57pm They don't spell, they speak. Europeans hear them speak. Then they write down what they hear. That's what the word looks like. Listen again Although that's a Chinaman saying the word. They write and vote. No, just write.
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #113 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren. I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time. Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian. Tsk, tsk Tongue

But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.

Danes were once Vikings. They used to go adventuring, rather than sit at home and grow old before their hearths. They used to rape, burn, pillage more established folks because the established folk sat at home and grew old before their hearths. Time to grow up, Soren and stop wandering the world like a child. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

They developed. Aborigines did not.

How do you know, Soren? They may not have developed materially but how do you know they didn't develop morally/etc.? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Er.... no EVIDENCE.

Bbwian - no evidence.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #114 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:05pm

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

They don't spell, they speak. Europeans hear them speak. Then they write down what they hear. Grin

That's what the word looks like. Listen again Grin

Although that's a Chinaman saying the word. They write and vote. No, just write.

Ah... write down what they hear.

Write down like they did for 40 thousand years before 1788? Or write down as they were.... er.... taught by Europeans?

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #115 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:09pm

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

They don't spell, they speak. Europeans hear them speak. Then they write down what they hear. Grin

That's what the word looks like. Listen again Grin

Although that's a Chinaman saying the word. They write and vote. No, just write.

So speak it that then.

It's spelt, in English FASER ISLAND.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #116 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:52pm

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren. I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time. Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian. Tsk, tsk Tongue

But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.

Danes were once Vikings. They used to go adventuring, rather than sit at home and grow old before their hearths. They used to rape, burn, pillage more established folks because the established folk sat at home and grew old before their hearths. Time to grow up, Soren and stop wandering the world like a child. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

They developed. Aborigines did not.

How do you know, Soren? They may not have developed materially but how do you know they didn't develop morally/etc.? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Er.... no EVIDENCE.

Bbwian - no evidence.

You'd disregard it automatically, Soren.

I'm still waiting for you to reveal evidence that I have "characterised typical Australians as beer-swilling drunken yobs in blue singlets and thongs. As racist rednecks, white supremacists, Islamophobes..." Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #117 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 11:48pm

Oh, they can spell and write now.... they've been under the Wharte Man's wing for long enough to develop basic skills... now they can put words into letters! If they want an axe they can go and buy one.... no need to work out how to tie a stick to a stone... that tinny sure beats the old canoe and is a lot less work to get, too!

They can even get degrees and write signs for protests!!!

This IS progress!! Where's the gap? Anyone can do those things....

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #119 - Oct 6^th, 2022 at 3:02am

Frank wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 9:05pm:

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

They don't spell, they speak. Europeans hear them speak. Then they write down what they hear.

Ah... write down what they hear.

Write down like they did for 40 thousand years before 1788? Or write down as they were.... er.... taught by Europeans?

Europeans write down what they hear. You don't have a very developed sense of English. I could write again that Qld Government wrote the word K'Gari but you don't grasp the written word so I won't repeat myself.
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