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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #45 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:56pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

In my opinion, we shouldn't be totally erasing Anglo names
that were given to geographic formations or localities that
were—and are—historically important to the vast majority
of the current and largely white (-ish) population whose
ancestors originally settled here and made the country what
it is today, shedding a lot of sweat and tears doing so.

Why can we not simply hyphenate ancient and modern names?

Kunyani-Mt Wellington; Moreland-Merribek; Uluru-Ayers Rock;
K'gari-Fraser Island; Grampians-Gariwerd National Park;
McKenzies-Mikunung Wira Falls; Tumbulong-Darling Harbour;
Wadjemup-Rottnest Isand; etc etc etc.

And if we need to get overly-pedantic about all this naming
stuff, who gets the "right" to name something or somewhere?
Consider for example that Mt Wellington, Ayers Rock, the
Grampians, MacKenzie Falls, the Blue Mountains, the Olgas,
and Rottnest Island were all in existence thousands of years
before the Aborigines invaded the continent.

(Yes, yes... I know it's a frivolous argument. but all the same...)

Every rock predates humans lol

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #46 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 4:17pm:

one has to feel for the aborigine (the real aborigine) who has no interest in politics but is only interested in nature.

On what basis do you claim that, Aqua?

Never been near an Indigenous camp come council meeting day? You'd be surprised how interested many Indigenous people are in politics.

You really are a fool and a nincompoop. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #47 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Ooooh, look - the Brittany Higgins case is on ... interesting - original statement that the woke up with him on top of her, has become she woke up with him raping her.... first statement never mentioned penetration.

I smell coaching and maybe a little word-changing...

Could you kindly tell us exactly what this has to do with the
renaming of Fraser Island to K'gari? Or is it simply a feeble
excuse to jump on your personal, hateful high horse?

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could cease derailing
threads on this forum—as you've done repeatedly in the past.

Thank you.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #48 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:19pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:56pm:

Every rock predates humans lol

Not necessarily. For example, recent and historical active volcanoes are still
creating igneous rocks from magma. EG: Ilopango 450CE; Laki Iceland 1783;
Mt Unzen Japan 1792; Santa Maria Guatemala 1902 etc.

Magma is not rock, in the same way that water is not ice.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #49 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:20pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Ooooh, look - the Brittany Higgins case is on ... interesting - original statement that the woke up with him on top of her, has become she woke up with him raping her.... first statement never mentioned penetration.

I smell coaching and maybe a little word-changing...

Could you kindly tell us exactly what this has to do with the
renaming of Fraser Island to K'gari? Or is it simply a feeble
excuse to jump on your personal, hateful high horse?

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could cease derailing
threads on this forum—as you've done repeatedly in the past.

Thank you.

He's literal human garbage, glad some lefty woman got put in her place, and raped

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #50 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:34pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:20pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Ooooh, look - the Brittany Higgins case is on ... interesting - original statement that the woke up with him on top of her, has become she woke up with him raping her.... first statement never mentioned penetration.

I smell coaching and maybe a little word-changing...

Could you kindly tell us exactly what this has to do with the
renaming of Fraser Island to K'gari? Or is it simply a feeble
excuse to jump on your personal, hateful high horse?

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could cease derailing
threads on this forum—as you've done repeatedly in the past.

Thank you.

He's literal human garbage, glad some lefty woman got put in her place, and raped

That's bit rough and uncalled for. Grappler is a fool and a misogynist but is not "garbage" as such. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #51 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:40pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:20pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Ooooh, look - the Brittany Higgins case is on ... interesting - original statement that the woke up with him on top of her, has become she woke up with him raping her.... first statement never mentioned penetration.

I smell coaching and maybe a little word-changing...

Could you kindly tell us exactly what this has to do with the
renaming of Fraser Island to K'gari? Or is it simply a feeble
excuse to jump on your personal, hateful high horse?

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could cease derailing
threads on this forum—as you've done repeatedly in the past.

Thank you.

He's literal human garbage, glad some lefty woman got put in her place, and raped

SLANDER! She was a Liberal Party staffer, you dork...

Your Master speaks....... Grin

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #52 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:42pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:03pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

Ooooh, look - the Brittany Higgins case is on ... interesting - original statement that the woke up with him on top of her, has become she woke up with him raping her.... first statement never mentioned penetration.

I smell coaching and maybe a little word-changing...

Could you kindly tell us exactly what this has to do with the
renaming of Fraser Island to K'gari? Or is it simply a feeble
excuse to jump on your personal, hateful high horse?

I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could cease derailing
threads on this forum—as you've done repeatedly in the past.

Thank you.

Rantdome brought in the subject of Aboriginal women being raped.... it seemed meet to add in a current affair.

I knew it would bring all the worms out of the woodwork... people who can't read ....

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #53 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 8:44pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:56pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

In my opinion, we shouldn't be totally erasing Anglo names
that were given to geographic formations or localities that
were—and are—historically important to the vast majority
of the current and largely white (-ish) population whose
ancestors originally settled here and made the country what
it is today, shedding a lot of sweat and tears doing so.

Why can we not simply hyphenate ancient and modern names?

Kunyani-Mt Wellington; Moreland-Merribek; Uluru-Ayers Rock;
K'gari-Fraser Island; Grampians-Gariwerd National Park;
McKenzies-Mikunung Wira Falls; Tumbulong-Darling Harbour;
Wadjemup-Rottnest Isand; etc etc etc.

And if we need to get overly-pedantic about all this naming
stuff, who gets the "right" to name something or somewhere?
Consider for example that Mt Wellington, Ayers Rock, the
Grampians, MacKenzie Falls, the Blue Mountains, the Olgas,
and Rottnest Island were all in existence thousands of years
before the Aborigines invaded the continent.

(Yes, yes... I know it's a frivolous argument. but all the same...)

Every rock predates humans lol

Every rock in your head predates any humanity you may have......

Signed
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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #54 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 9:08pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

In my opinion, we shouldn't be totally erasing Anglo names
that were given to geographic formations or localities that
were—and are—historically important to the vast majority
of the current and largely white (-ish) population whose
ancestors originally settled here and made the country what
it is today, shedding a lot of sweat and tears doing so.

Why can we not simply hyphenate ancient and modern names?

Kunyani-Mt Wellington; Moreland-Merribek; Uluru-Ayers Rock;
K'gari-Fraser Island; Grampians-Gariwerd National Park;
McKenzies-Mikunung Wira Falls; Tumbulong-Darling Harbour;
Wadjemup-Rottnest Isand; etc etc etc.

And if we need to get overly-pedantic about all this naming
stuff, who gets the "right" to name something or somewhere?
Consider for example that Mt Wellington, Ayers Rock, the
Grampians, MacKenzie Falls, the Blue Mountains, the Olgas,
and Rottnest Island were all in existence thousands of years
before the Aborigines invaded the continent.

(Yes, yes... I know it's a frivolous argument. but all the same...)

I object to Aborigines using the Latin, white European alphabet.

What's wrong with using their own???? If they are really first nations they should each use their own first national alphabets. Not too much to ask, is it??

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #55 - Oct 4^th, 2022 at 11:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Fraser Island expected to be formally named K'gari as community consultation ends Cool

Cool

I like the sound of that name.
It takes time to remember… like with Ayers/Uluṟu.

I’m wondering… whilst Queensland support aboriginal renaming…
Here in Vic it’s pulling away from aboriginal names!
I’m absolutely against this taking away the aboriginal name of our hospital ….

https://7news.com.au/news/vic/daniel-andrews-plan-to-rename-maroondah-hospital-a...

“The short story is Mr Andrews wants to rename Maroondah Hospital to Queen Elizabeth II hospital.

Maroondah is a local Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung word meaning throwing of leaves. For some in the community, they found the replacement of an Indigenous-named hospital with that of our beloved late Queen a step too far.”

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #56 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 12:22am

Australia to be re-named Gondwanaland... translates to "Australia is gone - you want the land - how much ya got?"

I'm waiting to see how long it takes the 'local indigenous owners' to sell off that prime beachfront land at Coffs Harbour when the developer's price gets right..... worth a fortune right next to Coffs Harbour Jetty re-development... Perrotet government complicit....................

Then they can cry poor again and claim all the hinterland mountains and stuff.....

FFS .....................

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #57 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:26am

'Eliza's tale was debunked by other survivors of the shipwreck, but it no longer mattered - the colonial narrative had been created for the Indigenous peoples, which in turn contributed to the entrenchment of harmful rhetoric.

For decades, the Butchulla people have lived with their home being named after the person that had contributed heavily to their own dispossession, and the personification of their people as 'savages'.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/miranda-otto-on-kgari-and-correcting-eliza-frasers-remarkably-silly-story/nr5ibog44

Sydney Gazette of 1838 stated that her story was 'overcharged and contradictory'. Archibald Meston the Government Protector of Aborigines said 'her head was badly affected'. In England she was confined to a mental hospital.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #58 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 6:18am

Frank wrote on Oct 4^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

I object to Aborigines using the Latin, white European alphabet.

Why aren't you posting in Latin? You're not using the Anglo-Saxon runes alphabet from Denmark. Why not? The Qld Government uses white people and white spelling. The Butchulla mob aren't the Qld Government. It is Annastacia Pałaszczuk, Polish pronunciation: /paˈwaʂʈ͡ʂuk/, her father Henry Palaszczuk from Germany. Frank is French who borrowed German Franks. Some of them speak Latin.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #59 - Oct 5^th, 2022 at 6:38am

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 5:26am:

'Eliza's tale was debunked by other survivors of the shipwreck, but it no longer mattered - the colonial narrative had been created for the Indigenous peoples, which in turn contributed to the entrenchment of harmful rhetoric.

For decades, the Butchulla people have lived with their home being named after the person that had contributed heavily to their own dispossession, and the personification of their people as 'savages'.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/miranda-otto-on-kgari-and-correcting-eliza-frasers-remarkably-silly-story/nr5ibog44

Sydney Gazette of 1838 stated that her story was 'overcharged and contradictory'. Archibald Meston the Government Protector of Aborigines said 'her head was badly affected'. In England she was confined to a mental hospital.

A reminder of how awful mental health services used to be, yes

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