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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #105 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:29pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes.

Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #106 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #107 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes.

Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs

"Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy."

LOL, don't kid yourself

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #108 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway

If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #109 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway

If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

He is right that is how it works ?

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #110 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:59pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

Raven wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 11:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

Who knows. If you want Australia to have voluntary voting then speak to your local MP or start a grass roots campaign. If enough people support you then you can change it.

I'll start with you, which one do you want for Australia, voluntary or compulsory voting?

Raven doesn’t care if it’s voluntary or compulsory. He will still vote.

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #111 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:13pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away

Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have.

If you won't travel a mere 38km in order to vote once every three years,
then it's obvious you're selfishly happy to avoid undertaking what amounts
to a civic duty. That you apparently care so little for democracy in Australia
is unacceptable, but I'm betting you'll be the first person to whinge when
the party you support is voted out.

And consider this: In the US, eligible voter turnout is around 66% while in
Australia it's around 92% (with compulsory voting). So which electoral
process is more likely to support—at the very least—the ideals of democracy?

As you choose not to vote in elections, you've renounced any legitimate right
to criticize the governing party; either Liberal or Labor.

The government has also made other things compulsory, without any plebiscite.
Do you also object to those? Driver license, passport, Medicare, or Tax File number
for example.

And when you're next picked up by the police for driving without a license, are
you seriously going to tell the police you don't choose to have one, because
it was too difficult to obtain it, or it was unreasonable for the government to
make its possession compulsory?

(BTW, given any reasonable grounds, you can apply to the
AEC for postal vote form. It's not rocket surgery FFS.)

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #113 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 9:50am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes.

Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs

"Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy."

LOL, don't kid yourself

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Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2022C00074

(15) An elector commits an offence if the elector fails to vote at an election.

Penalty: 1 penalty unit.

      (15A) Strict liability applies to an offence against subsection (15).

Note:       For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.

      (15B) Subsection (15) does not apply if the elector has a valid and sufficient reason for the failure.

Note:       A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in subsection (15B) (see subsection 13.3(3) of the Criminal Code).

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #114 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 10:37am

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 9:50am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:29pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

Not a crime. Don't get hot flushes.

Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy.

No not a big crime but a punishable offense. I just got a "License Suspended" notice if I didn't pay $160 within a few days. I'm not traveling 38ks to the polling booth, and 38ks back again, nor to the nearest PO mailing box which is the same distance. You can vote for me if you like, just don't make it for the Libs and Labs

"Compulsory voting was established long before there was a Lib/Lab dichotomy."

LOL, don't kid yourself

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Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2022C00074

1918 is the year the Act first passed.

Compulsory voting wasn't introduced (by amendment) until 1924.

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #115 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 11:33am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway

If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

He is right that is how it works ?

Well there you go, need I say any more?

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #116 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 12:40pm

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:13pm:

If you won't travel a mere 38km in order to vote once every three years,
then it's obvious you're selfishly happy to avoid undertaking what amounts
to a civic duty. That you apparently care so little for democracy in Australia
is unacceptable, but I'm betting you'll be the first person to whinge when
the party you support is voted out.

I'm not in the city, I'm in the bush and that 38ks is 76k round trip on a winding hilly narrow backroad, laden with roos and wombats with a one in 10 chance of hitting one if traveling at the speed limit. A roo jumped out and side-swiped my near new Kia 5 months ago, I estimate the damage to be around $4,000, I was doing 78 in a 100k zone, it all happened in a blink of an eye. Now I do only 60 in that 100k zone. It's a warning to anyone traveling in central NSW. There's road kill everywhere, the roos need culling

The AEC's limit is 8ks for voting, and why they don't make more of an effort to bring polling booths closer to voters in this day and age is pure neglect of their CIVIC DUTY, if you want to talk about civic duty ... or do you think it doesn't have to work both ways?

Postal voting is the same, 76k round trip to the nearest PO mailing box. It has to be done twice for a postal vote, that's 152ks total. You can do a postal vote for me if you like, but you'll have to pay for the petrol, I won't be

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:13pm:

And consider this: In the US, eligible voter turnout is around 66% while in
Australia it's around 92% (with compulsory voting). So which electoral
process is more likely to support—at the very least—the ideals of democracy?

Only 72.85% in Lingari ....

"Lingari in the Northern Territory topped the list of lowest turnout, with just 72.85 per cent of voters casting a ballot in this area. The electorate includes the towns of Alice Springs and Katherine, with about 19,000 of the 70,000 residents not voting.

Some of the residents use mobile polling, with teams from the Australian Electoral Commission generally visiting around 400 communities located far from polling places mostly in NT, Western Australia and Queensland, to record people’s votes. These teams often access these locations using 4WDs, helicopters and light aircraft."

Voters in the US are not are not criminalized if they don't vote ... So why are we criminalized? You don't know do you?

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #118 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

how dare they make me vote (sarc)

Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?

You should make an effort to understand exactly how your vote works before you criticise the system

You told me already how it works ... you said it goes to the Libs and Labs anyway

If I remember correctly, you said "They still get your vote" (if they were placed last and second last on the ballot paper)

except when the other party gets enough votes to actually win

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #119 - Nov 17^th, 2022 at 4:08pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

.........I'm not in the city, I'm in the bush and that 38ks is 76k round trip on a winding hilly narrow backroad, laden with roos and wombats with a one in 10 chance of hitting one if traveling at the speed limit. A roo jumped out and side-swiped my near new Kia 5 months ago, I estimate the damage to be around $4,000, I was doing 78 in a 100k zone, it all happened in a blink of an eye. Now I do only 60 in that 100k zone. It's a warning to anyone traveling in central NSW. There's road kill everywhere, the roos need culling

The AEC's limit is 8ks for voting, and why they don't make more of an effort to bring polling booths closer to voters in this day and age is pure neglect of their CIVIC DUTY, if you want to talk about civic duty ... or do you think it doesn't have to work both ways?

Postal voting is the same, 76k round trip to the nearest PO mailing box. It has to be done twice for a postal vote, that's 152ks total. You can do a postal vote for me if you like, but you'll have to pay for the petrol, I won't be.........

So you don't go into town at all for anything? Roll Eyes

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