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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58037 Here Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #90 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 9:06am Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:47pm: Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm: It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes 50.4% Kari Lake R 1,247,859 votes 49.6% Looks like the Swamp slipped in a few extra votes for Hobbs Na the Swamp feeds into the lake as you would expect.
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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #92 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:21am

Raven wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 11:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

Who knows. If you want Australia to have voluntary voting then speak to your local MP or start a grass roots campaign. If enough people support you then you can change it.

I'll start with you, which one do you want for Australia, voluntary or compulsory voting?

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 58037 Here Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #93 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect.
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Reply #94 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:32am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US.

For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44187 Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #95 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am: I like the system we have. If you claim to be Australian - Vote. It isn't a lot to expect. I agree. It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.
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Reply #96 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:18am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away

Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have

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Reply #97 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:26am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I'll vote when it becomes voluntary and when the AEC sets up a polling booth closer than 38kms to my village, and a PO mailing box as well, it's the same distance away

Compulsory voting is an order from the Libs and Labs, they designed and passed the legislation, it didn't go to referendum, when it should have

You say there shouldn't be compulsory voting, but that the government was obliged to hold a referendum?

Compulsory for the politicians to act, but not for you?

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Reply #98 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:28am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US.

For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

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Reply #99 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:30am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US.

For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

There's no evidence of widespread voter cheating in the US that would have changed any results.

None. Zip. Zero.

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Re: The Red Wave
Reply #100 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:45am

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

I like the system we have.

If you claim to be Australian - Vote.

It isn't a lot to expect.

I agree.

It is a small national service, rightly expected from citizens.

Subservient citizens, don't you mean Frank? ... and failing to vote is criminalized ... you become a criminal if you don't do what the Master Lib/Labs tell you to do

The Labs and Labs have got it all tied up, they set the rules, just try doing anything contrary to their rules, they'll put you in jail

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74195 Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #101 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm how dare they make me vote (sarc)
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10688 Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #102 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 2:39pm John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 1:49pm: how dare they make me vote (sarc) Wasn't it you who said that if you put the Libs and Labs last on the ballot paper, they still get your vote?
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Reply #103 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 3:39pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:56am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 10:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 3:16am:

Raven wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 2:35am:

Who would have thought. Despite his approval rating, Joe Biden has proved to be the most successful Democratic president in a mid term election in decades.

Yeah, voluntary voting is not that bad after all ... what do you think?

Clinton lost 54 House seats, Bush lost 31, Obama lost 64, Trump lost 42, Biden is looking at losing 10 to 15. Voluntary voting seems to work for the US so good for them.

If it works for the US, why wouldn't it work here?

The US voting system is a mess. - No it has never worked well in the US.

For several decades one political party of the US has had a primary strategy of preventing people from voting.

That's got nothing to do with the principle of voluntary voting. If it was compulsory in the US, they could still find ways to cheat

The strategy is aimed squarely at the fact that voting is optional. Convincing people to not vote and doing things to make voting more difficult or to prevent voting is a strategy that cannot work if voting is mandatory.

Yes they could still find other ways to cheat but this is one of the primary ways in which they do currently cheat, the other is Jerrymandering. Do you know that there was one state where the Republican Democrat vote was 50/50 but this result means that the Rethuglicans win about 14 house seats and the Democrats win around 4?

Do you know that there are about 235 house seats and that from this number there are about 30 that will depend on the result off an election to change all the others are that dominant that they cannot swing based on boundaries. All the house seats that the Republicans look like picking up were the result of changed boundaries (Jerrymander).

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 136173 Gender:	Re: The Red Wave Reply #104 - Nov 16^th, 2022 at 5:14pm Boris wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 9:03pm: It was close Katie Hobbs D 1,267,241 votes 50.4% Kari Lake R 1,247,859 votes 49.6%
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