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Reply #15 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:35am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 11:31am:
• Desantis? Yes.

• Trump? No.

I think Desantis might well be the next US President.


If Trump doesn't run for the GOP nomination, sure.  I agree.

Trump would demolish DeSanctimonious in the debates though.

Trump's a bully and DeSanctimonious is a timid little coward.

I can't see the cult members switching to DeSanctimonious.



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I can't see the cult members switching to DeSanctimonious anyone.


This is maybe the important bit. The Trump base is just that it isn't a republican base very likely when Trump goes they simply stop voting. None of the pretend junior Trumpties will pick up this vote.
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Reply #16 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:28pm
 

Betting markets now give DeSantis the edge to win White House in 2024

Online betting markets now give Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) the edge to win the White House in 2024, overtaking former President Trump in the wake of Tuesday’s midterm elections.

DeSantis’s odds in the 2024 presidential race jumped to 28 percent on Wednesday, while Trump’s dropped to 18.4 percent, according to Election Betting Odds, a tracking website run by conservative pundit John Stossel and his executive producer Maxim Lott that looked at the odds offered by multiple other forums.
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Reply #17 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:10pm
 

"This is a sinking ship," one top Trump adviser told ABC News. "We're not going to beat that."

"This was the end of the Trump era and the dawn of the DeSantis era," a Republican operative close to the Trump orbit told ABC News. "Like every other Trump catastrophe, he did this to himself with stupid and reckless decisions."
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Reply #18 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 5:47pm
 
You would wonder what the republican party will look like when it is returned to Republicans.

You could easily see them in opposition for a few more terms if they cannot get real republicans to return to the party and the Trump nutters walk away.

It could take a lot of time to clear out their internal rubbish.
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Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
trumps a business man and the author of 'art of the deal"

ron desantis is a "real' american who understands that real america wants a strong border, the right to bear arms, and for government to f""k off and leave them alone.

the idiotic democrats dont understand people at all (probably cause they have never been in business)

you cant tell the population they are racist , transphobes and deplorable misogynists.

you have to be like aqua...able to mix with the common man.

could you imagine gweggy at a bbq mixing with your average panelbeater or bwian going tsk tsk to your average truckie.

the left are just completely out of touch.

i think ron will reach out and offer donnie a presidential pardon for any transgressions.
he could also offer to name the next aircraft carrier the "USS trump"
donnie would like that.
maybe even call the wall the donald trump wall or have donald made the 5th face on mt rushmore.

either way, the democrats are toast.

woke politics is dead in the water.

the whites dont like it and neither do the muslims who hate gays, the hispanics and blacks who like religion and like law and order.

woke politics works for the guys who live in gated communities in LA, the hollywood types, the tenured smug uni types, a few trans who need lots of attnetion.

thats maybe 5 % of the population.

the 95 % of 'real' america have spoken.

time for the left to listen


If the left listened to Aquascoot, dear, they'd be studying Mr Trump, worshipping the fridge, leaving the "noble capitalists" to run America Inc and despising the chodes, who basically live lives of pure garbage.
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Reply #20 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:09pm
 
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A very competitive race to the bottom, or well below the bottom in this case.
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Reply #21 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:12pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:03pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
trumps a business man and the author of 'art of the deal"

ron desantis is a "real' american who understands that real america wants a strong border, the right to bear arms, and for government to f""k off and leave them alone.

the idiotic democrats dont understand people at all (probably cause they have never been in business)

you cant tell the population they are racist , transphobes and deplorable misogynists.

you have to be like aqua...able to mix with the common man.

could you imagine gweggy at a bbq mixing with your average panelbeater or bwian going tsk tsk to your average truckie.

the left are just completely out of touch.

i think ron will reach out and offer donnie a presidential pardon for any transgressions.
he could also offer to name the next aircraft carrier the "USS trump"
donnie would like that.
maybe even call the wall the donald trump wall or have donald made the 5th face on mt rushmore.

either way, the democrats are toast.

woke politics is dead in the water.

the whites dont like it and neither do the muslims who hate gays, the hispanics and blacks who like religion and like law and order.

woke politics works for the guys who live in gated communities in LA, the hollywood types, the tenured smug uni types, a few trans who need lots of attnetion.

thats maybe 5 % of the population.

the 95 % of 'real' america have spoken.

time for the left to listen


If the left listened to Aquascoot, dear, they'd be studying Mr Trump, worshipping the fridge, leaving the "noble capitalists" to run America Inc and despising the chodes, who basically live lives of pure garbage.


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trumps a business man and the author of 'art of the deal"


Like most things in Trumps life someone else wrote "The art of the deal" for Trump, in this case it was Tony Schwartz who wrote the Art of the deal.

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Re: DeSantis v Trump
Reply #22 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:54pm
 

On January 4-15, 2021, 62% of people disapproved of Trump, with only 34% approving.  (4% no opinion.)

Gallup Daily.

There's no way Trump could consider running in 2024 with
this sort of unpopularity. I'd be guessing DeSantis will be
the GOP's choice—which will in all likelihood guarantee a
Democrat win.

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Reply #23 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 9:37pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

On January 4-15, 2021, 62% of people disapproved of Trump, with only 34% approving.  (4% no opinion.)

Gallup Daily.

There's no way Trump could consider running in 2024 with
this sort of unpopularity. I'd be guessing DeSantis will be
the GOP's choice—which will in all likelihood guarantee a
Democrat win.



Knowing trumps mentality, he will only ever consider trump running in 2024.

that is the american mindset
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Reply #24 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:06am
 
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Reply #25 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:08am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

On January 4-15, 2021, 62% of people disapproved of Trump, with only 34% approving.  (4% no opinion.)

Gallup Daily.

There's no way Trump could consider running in 2024 with
this sort of unpopularity. I'd be guessing DeSantis will be
the GOP's choice—which will in all likelihood guarantee a
Democrat win.



He needs the campaign to shield him from the dozens of criminal investigations he's currently under, but he knows he'll lose in November 2024.

Be interesting to see what he does.

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Reply #26 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:12am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 9:37pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

On January 4-15, 2021, 62% of people disapproved of Trump, with only 34% approving.  (4% no opinion.)

Gallup Daily.

There's no way Trump could consider running in 2024 with
this sort of unpopularity. I'd be guessing DeSantis will be
the GOP's choice—which will in all likelihood guarantee a
Democrat win.



Knowing trumps mentality, he will only ever consider trump running in 2024.

that is the american mindset



Trump, up to his old tricks again, the man is pathetic yet some on here believe he is a winner, go figure.

Several hours before polls opened on Tuesday for Election Day in Florida, former President Donald J. Trump warned the state’s governor, Ron DeSantis, against mounting a challenge to Mr. Trump’s own anticipated presidential candidacy in the 2024 election cycle.

“If he runs, he runs,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. DeSantis to a handful of reporters traveling with him on his private plane — recently refurbished and put back into use — after a rally Monday night in Dayton, Ohio.

But Mr. Trump added, in remarks published on Tuesday by The Wall Street Journal, “If he did run, I will tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife, who is really running his campaign.”

The former president, preparing to announce a rare candidacy for the White House after a defeat, was thus openly threatening to smear the person who would be considered his leading rival, should he choose to run.
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Re: DeSantis v Trump
Reply #27 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:15am
 
scope wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:12am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 9:37pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

On January 4-15, 2021, 62% of people disapproved of Trump, with only 34% approving.  (4% no opinion.)

Gallup Daily.

There's no way Trump could consider running in 2024 with
this sort of unpopularity. I'd be guessing DeSantis will be
the GOP's choice—which will in all likelihood guarantee a
Democrat win.



Knowing trumps mentality, he will only ever consider trump running in 2024.

that is the american mindset



Trump, up to his old tricks again, the man is pathetic yet some on here believe he is a winner, go figure.

Several hours before polls opened on Tuesday for Election Day in Florida, former President Donald J. Trump warned the state’s governor, Ron DeSantis, against mounting a challenge to Mr. Trump’s own anticipated presidential candidacy in the 2024 election cycle.

“If he runs, he runs,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. DeSantis to a handful of reporters traveling with him on his private plane — recently refurbished and put back into use — after a rally Monday night in Dayton, Ohio.

But Mr. Trump added, in remarks published on Tuesday by The Wall Street Journal, “If he did run, I will tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife, who is really running his campaign.”

The former president, preparing to announce a rare candidacy for the White House after a defeat, was thus openly threatening to smear the person who would be considered his leading rival, should he choose to run.


Winner?   Grin

He's the world's biggest loser.

‘Trumpty Dumpty’: Former president ridiculed by his own favourite newspaper

One columnist on Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post said Mr Trump was 'perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history

Donald Trump has been ridiculed by his favourite newspaper, which portrayed him as “Trumpty Dumpty”.

The Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post, which backed Mr Trump for re-election in 2020, eviscerated him following the lacklustre performance by Republicans in the midterm elections.

In a play on the nursery rhyme “Humpty Dumpty” it depicted Mr Trump sitting on a wall under the headline “Trumpty Dumpty”.

It added: “Don [who couldn’t build a wall...] had a great fall. Can all the GOPs men put the party back together again?”

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, which is also part of Mr Murdoch’s media empire, ran an editorial headlined: “Trump is the Republican Party’s biggest loser”.
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Re: DeSantis v Trump
Reply #28 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 7:59am
 
Harvard’s Shorenstein Center, which monitors media coverage, found that after just a few months in office, Trump was the subject of the most biased coverage in modern presidential history.

While the media both thrived on him and yet sought to ruin their greatest source of income, it committed suicide through its hysteria and fixations. Trump’s “fake news” attacks were crude. But they resonated precisely because he was correct that the media had become utterly corrupt and a mere extension of the progressive project.

Trump in his current state is an object of derision. But that he is still standing is a miracle in itself, given the abuse he endured that was predicated on lies, myths, and venom. In the first year of his presidency, partisan House members filed articles of impeachment. Foreign Policy printed an essay 11 days after his inauguration calling for his removal through either impeachment, the 25th Amendment, or a military coup.  It became a progressive parlor game to publicly dream of his assassination by explosion, decapitation, stabbing, incineration, hanging, or shooting. Joe Biden on three occasions bragged of his desire to physically beat him up.

That fisticuffs trope was amplified by everyone from Cory Booker to Robert De Niro. His National Security designate, General Michael Flynn, was framed by the efforts of the FBI and remnants of the Obama Justice Department through an ambush interrogation aimed at reviving the ossified Logan Act.  For nearly three years he was smeared and slurred as a Russian collaborator. That was a false charge and it devoured 22 months of his presidency, until the Mueller investigation imploded. Frenzied leftist hysterics followed this implosion. His first impeachment remains a stain on democracy.

Trump, remember, did not cancel aid to Ukraine. He was prescient in warning about the serial corruption of Hunter Biden and his father’s family syndicate. He was far tougher on Vladimir Putin (greater sanctions, flooding the world with cheap oil, leaving a flawed missile treaty, hammering Russian mercenaries in Syria, sending offensive weapons to Ukraine that Obama-Biden had forbidden, beefing up military spending, etc.) than his predecessor. Putin did not invade other countries under Trump’s tenure, unlike during prior and subsequent administrations.

In its politicized efforts to get Trump, the FBI blew up its reputation as a competent, professional, and disinterested investigatory bureau. A good argument can be made that three consecutive directors, Mueller, Comey, and McCabe, either under oath misled a House Intelligence Committee inquiry or simply flat-out lied. Retired four-star generals systematically violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice with impunity as they slandered their commander-in-chief variously as Nazi-like, a Mussolini, or analogous to the architects of Nazi death camps.

Congressional representatives grew so desperate to end Trump’s presidency that they called in a hack Yale psychiatrist to declare him, quite unprofessionally and without an examination, non compos mentis and deserving of a forced removal from office. Do we remember “Anonymous” who bragged in the New York Times of a covert and concerted effort inside his administration to destroy it?  A common denominator with all his critics—Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Dr. Bandy X. Lee, the CNN cadre, Andrew McCabe, Robert De Niro, Adam Schiff, Howard Stern, Peter Strzok, and a host of others—was that their anti-Trump obsessions either diminished their careers or empowered Trump, or both.

In response to all this, and often in preemptive fashion, Trump became obsessed with the historic injustice of it all. He yelled to high heaven that the Russian collusion charge was an utter hoax. He hammered the message that the COVID pandemic never originated naturally in a wet market but was birthed in a Wuhan virology lab. He screamed that the Hunter Biden laptop was authentic and a window into the Biden family’s systemic and lucrative corruption. Trump was right on all these counts, but, like mythical Cassandra, the more he rattled off the truth, the less likely he was to be believed given the coarseness of his protestations.

So, Kingmaker, Scapegoat, or Outlaw?

Find out here
https://victorhanson.com/tragically-trump/

A very good analysis by historian Victor Davis Hanson.
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Reply #29 - Nov 15th, 2022 at 9:29am
 
Everybody's life is a bit like a movie

And you want to be the star of your own movie

Trump absolutely certainly is the headliner in the drama of Trump
This is living life to the max
And all people who are not jealous chodes admire that


The jealous chode does not have a movie he is starring in
He lives in chode purgatory
He is a bit player
He is an insignificant extra in somebody else's movie

That's tragic cause you only get one shot at life
The chode unfortunately is a mere spectator of somebody else's life

How absolutely mediocre
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