MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2022 at 11:06am:


Like fraud-diver's mindless equating of the Mao-era famine to current policies, you are failing to keep up; local authorities are now furiously backtracking on zero covid policy after the nation's chief health advisor noted that "omicron variants are not as pathologic as previous variants", ....obviously with the blessing of the CCP ....after hearing the people....

The stock markets boomed.....pragmatism at its best.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

And the central government cowards are blaming local administrations for the mess, claiming that they'd been instructed to dial back the covid restrictions.

What the central government hasn't yet admitted to was that their policy on zero-covid didn't change and neither did their quotas on acceptable numbers of covid cases, leaving the local administrators in a catch-22 - if they relaxed restrictions and case numbers exceeded the quotas, they would be disciplined. All this while the central government refused to allow western vaccines into the country.

Of course, the true covid numbers would almost certainly have exceeded the central government quotas anyway as case numbers were only being reported up to the quota limit. Another cha bu duo moment.

Their excuse about Omicron is spurious also. Omicron has been the dominant strain for over a year. Why did the central government not act sooner? It was only the threatening protests that woke them to the possibility of a CCP existential crisis.

And the central government might have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for scenes from the world cup showing hundreds of thousands of people unmasked.

As for Zhao Lijan - what a sad phuk - instructed by the CCP not to answer questions that referred to protests because, well, the central government tried to deny they were happening at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6KRKrSymb0

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 4:12pm:

Poverty has not been eradicated in China. What has been eradicated by the CCP is the freedom to report on poverty.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 2:37pm:


Eh...and what a bummer the CCP are too "cowardly" to face up to the protesters..... (if you get my drift...) 

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Yes, ...and your disappointment that the CCP has reneged on zero covid is palpable....

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Of course fake news only exists in China....

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Well, a genuine desire to save lives in a vast population -many of whom do not have access to 1st world hospital standards - might have had something to do with it.
(But who knows whether the current covid strain is the same as last year, there seem to be lots of different  strains).
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Cheer up, old boy....you will just have to keep finding ways to bolster your phoney 'China threat' theory. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 4:37pm:

The only figures used about China are those that are sanctioned by the CCP.

The CCP did not eradicate poverty, Xi Jinping declared poverty eradicated by decree.

To manufacture the figures, the CCP uses a malevolent form of cha bu duo that Mao exploited - set quotas for provincial and regional authorities and be harsh in discipline if they report they have exceeded those quotas. Of course, no provincial or regional authority reports exceeding quotas where it has not been sanctioned by the central government. Hu Jintao once referred to this in a public speech. We will see at Jiang's funeral whether Hu is still alive.

Anyone who travels across China is alarmed at the extent of poverty outside Tier-1 cities.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 4:49pm:


Case closed then, I suppose.....

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The $18 trillion economy, actually the biggest in the world in PPP terms, would suggest otherwise, but carry on....you fake "freedom value' ideologue.

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The largest economy in the world in PPP terms,  enabling  subsidies for low income groups, would suggest at least sufficiency among the poor, certainly better the blacks drinking themselves to death in poorly maintained houses - or no housing - in Oz.

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Don't look at Broome beaches, or Tennant Creek streets on the weekend...

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2022 at 2:09pm:


And yet you debate it. If inequality is not soaring in China, can you explain how they went from starving to death in the millions on a relatively equal basis, to having more inequality than Australia and most of the other western nations you complain about?

On the Gini coefficient, the following are just some of the western nations that outrank China. Note that this only measures relative inequality within the country. These nations are also far wealthier than China in an absolute sense. There are also plenty of tinpot dictatorships that score better than China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Iceland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, Austraia, EU, Ireland, Germany, France, Portugal, Greece, Switzerland, Canada, Luxembourg, Australia, Spain, Italy, NZ.

In fact, if you pick any country at random, it is likely these days to beat China on inequality.

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Are you denying that the CCP starved millions of Chinese people to death by trying to feed them all equally?

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Yes. China is terrible on pretty much every score. Are you trying to agree with what I said? Here it is again:

Though they are still dirt poor in comparison. Meanwhile our social security payments are more than double the median Chinese wage

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And present. China is still a shithole compared to the western nations you like to compare it to. The only place where it is not is in your imagination, and your CCP propaganda pamphlettes, promising yet another Mao-style great leap backwards.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 10:20am:

No. Data about China does not come from independent sources. Until that changes, nothing can be determined with confidence.

Those who have travelled through China will tell you poverty is rampant outside of Tier-1 cities.