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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #165 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 8:24am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:29am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

And what a great time to point out the absolute disgusting hypocrisy of the number one enemy around the world.
They should all be hung.

[]https://youtu.be/O-IfKlE9Yn0[]

Pure scum.

Ooo, I know.

All those people Trudeau sent to covid concentration camps and those children who were separated from their families (who knows what happened to them while their parents weren't there to protect them).

And all those people who were welded into their homes.

And all those people who starved to death because they couldn't get food.

And those who were burned to death because they were welded into their apartments.

And all those, who broke their lockdown, that he had disappeared.

Oh, wait... That was the CCP.

Are you seriously championing that media behaviour?

If you think Trudeau should be hanged, what would you see have done to Xi Jinping?

Don't reply to a question with a question. Cheesy

The point being that limp-wristed wankers like yourself prefer easy targets, to bitch slap and demand the death penalty.

When it comes to totalitarian strongmen, you become a spice boy.

Can't answer it can you f

u

cktard?

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #166 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:29am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

And what a great time to point out the absolute disgusting hypocrisy of the number one enemy around the world.
They should all be hung.

[]https://youtu.be/O-IfKlE9Yn0[]

Pure scum.

Ooo, I know.

All those people Trudeau sent to covid concentration camps and those children who were separated from their families (who knows what happened to them while their parents weren't there to protect them).

And all those people who were welded into their homes.

And all those people who starved to death because they couldn't get food.

And those who were burned to death because they were welded into their apartments.

And all those, who broke their lockdown, that he had disappeared.

Oh, wait... That was the CCP.

Are you seriously championing that media behaviour?

If you think Trudeau should be hanged, what would you see have done to Xi Jinping?

Don't reply to a question with a question. Cheesy

The point being that limp-wristed wankers like yourself prefer easy targets, to bitch slap and demand the death penalty.

When it comes to totalitarian strongmen, you become a spice boy.

Can't answer it can you f

u

cktard?

Take a look at what you're talking about 'championing' there, lassie - that politicians are often hypocrites and for that, the ones that don't scare you, are scum and should be hanged for it.

Overweaction, much?

But actual state-backed killers, get a pass from the likes of you.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #167 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 10:34am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:29am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

And what a great time to point out the absolute disgusting hypocrisy of the number one enemy around the world.
They should all be hung.

[]https://youtu.be/O-IfKlE9Yn0[]

Pure scum.

Ooo, I know.

All those people Trudeau sent to covid concentration camps and those children who were separated from their families (who knows what happened to them while their parents weren't there to protect them).

And all those people who were welded into their homes.

And all those people who starved to death because they couldn't get food.

And those who were burned to death because they were welded into their apartments.

And all those, who broke their lockdown, that he had disappeared.

Oh, wait... That was the CCP.

Are you seriously championing that media behaviour?

If you think Trudeau should be hanged, what would you see have done to Xi Jinping?

Don't reply to a question with a question. Cheesy

The point being that limp-wristed wankers like yourself prefer easy targets, to bitch slap and demand the death penalty.

When it comes to totalitarian strongmen, you become a spice boy.

Can't answer it can you f

u

cktard?

Take a look at what you're talking about 'championing' there, lassie - that politicians are often hypocrites and for that, the ones that don't scare you, are scum and should be hanged for it.

Overweaction, much?

But actual state-backed killers, get a pass from the likes of you.

Still can't answer the question.

Do you support the MSM in their views in that vid?

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #168 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 11:22am

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 10:34am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:29am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

And what a great time to point out the absolute disgusting hypocrisy of the number one enemy around the world.
They should all be hung.

[]https://youtu.be/O-IfKlE9Yn0[]

Pure scum.

Ooo, I know.

All those people Trudeau sent to covid concentration camps and those children who were separated from their families (who knows what happened to them while their parents weren't there to protect them).

And all those people who were welded into their homes.

And all those people who starved to death because they couldn't get food.

And those who were burned to death because they were welded into their apartments.

And all those, who broke their lockdown, that he had disappeared.

Oh, wait... That was the CCP.

Are you seriously championing that media behaviour?

If you think Trudeau should be hanged, what would you see have done to Xi Jinping?

Don't reply to a question with a question. Cheesy

The point being that limp-wristed wankers like yourself prefer easy targets, to bitch slap and demand the death penalty.

When it comes to totalitarian strongmen, you become a spice boy.

Can't answer it can you f

u

cktard?

Take a look at what you're talking about 'championing' there, lassie - that politicians are often hypocrites and for that, the ones that don't scare you, are scum and should be hanged for it.

Overweaction, much?

But actual state-backed killers, get a pass from the likes of you.

Still can't answer the question.

Do you support the MSM in their views in that vid?

Of course, why wouldn't you?

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #169 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 11:52am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 11:22am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 10:34am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:10am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 8:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:29am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

And what a great time to point out the absolute disgusting hypocrisy of the number one enemy around the world.
They should all be hung.

[]https://youtu.be/O-IfKlE9Yn0[]

Pure scum.

Ooo, I know.

All those people Trudeau sent to covid concentration camps and those children who were separated from their families (who knows what happened to them while their parents weren't there to protect them).

And all those people who were welded into their homes.

And all those people who starved to death because they couldn't get food.

And those who were burned to death because they were welded into their apartments.

And all those, who broke their lockdown, that he had disappeared.

Oh, wait... That was the CCP.

Are you seriously championing that media behaviour?

If you think Trudeau should be hanged, what would you see have done to Xi Jinping?

Don't reply to a question with a question. Cheesy

The point being that limp-wristed wankers like yourself prefer easy targets, to bitch slap and demand the death penalty.

When it comes to totalitarian strongmen, you become a spice boy.

Can't answer it can you f

u

cktard?

Take a look at what you're talking about 'championing' there, lassie - that politicians are often hypocrites and for that, the ones that don't scare you, are scum and should be hanged for it.

Overweaction, much?

But actual state-backed killers, get a pass from the likes of you.

Still can't answer the question.

Do you support the MSM in their views in that vid?

Of course, why wouldn't you?

You are missing the point, ME, probably because you didn't watch the second half of that vid.

The same MSM commentariat were siding with the Chinese protesters against Chinese Government Covid rules - but sided with the governments against Australian, Canadian and American protesters against their Governments' Covid rules.

To point out the different MSM posturing is in no way giving a pass to 'state-backed killer' - it just points out the smug and shifty MSM's lack of credibility.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #170 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:07pm

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 7:16pm:

I see I am having trouble getting through to you.

Do you have any evidence for this new trend, or is it all in your imagination?

I see I am having trouble getting through to you.

China's GDP in 1980: c.$200 billion; US gdp in 1980 c.$3 trillion.

Today: China gdp c.$18 trillion, US c, $21 trillion.

ie: in 4 decades, China GDP has multiplied by 90; the US by 7.

China last year (after finally eradicating absolute poverty) has restated the "common prosperity" goal, whereas the the US is still stuck with its "the poor are always with us' narrative - typical of Western ideology's "generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantage", as one perceptive UK film-maker expressed it.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #171 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:07pm

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

You are missing the point, ME, probably because you didn't watch the second half of that vid.

The same MSM commentariat were siding with the Chinese protesters against Chinese Government Covid rules - but sided with the governments against Australian, Canadian and American protesters against their Governments' Covid rules.

To point out the different MSM posturing is in no way giving a pass to 'state-backed killer' - it just points out the smug and shifty MSM's lack of credibility.

Yes, well, I've lived long enough not to overreact to contradictions or perceived hypocrisy every time I see them. You'd understand that yourself, having also been a father.

A stitched-together video designed to present media support of democracies in the midst of a health panic, as morally reprehensible as the calling out a totalitarian regime's brutal mismanagement of the same policy and the bravery it takes to stand against it.

Was the incarceration of Japanese-descent US citizens in concentration camps the same immorality as Germans sending Jews to concentration camps?

The consequences of resisting lockdowns in the US, Australia or Canada were minuscule compared to the courage needed to protest against a totalitarian regime, and cannot be compared to the depth of depravity the CCP stooped to; and long after it was clear that lockdowns were not working.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #172 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:07pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 7:16pm:

I see I am having trouble getting through to you.

Do you have any evidence for this new trend, or is it all in your imagination?

I see I am having trouble getting through to you.

China's GDP in 1980: c.$200 billion; US gdp in 1980 c.$3 trillion.

Today: China gdp c.$18 trillion, US c, $21 trillion.

ie: in 4 decades, China GDP has multiplied by 90; the US by 7.

China last year (after finally eradicating absolute poverty) has restated the "common prosperity" goal, whereas the the US is still stuck with its "the poor are always with us' narrative - typical of Western ideology's "generational, deceptive, chronic disadvantage", as one perceptive UK film-maker expressed it.

Even Hu Jintao admitted that China's GDP figures were fudged.

Where is Hu, BTW? Was he at Jiang's funeral?

The CCP has not eradicated absolute poverty, Xi simply declared it eradicated.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #173 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:07pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 11:52am:

You are missing the point, ME, probably because you didn't watch the second half of that vid.

The same MSM commentariat were siding with the Chinese protesters against Chinese Government Covid rules - but sided with the governments against Australian, Canadian and American protesters against their Governments' Covid rules.

To point out the different MSM posturing is in no way giving a pass to 'state-backed killer' - it just points out the smug and shifty MSM's lack of credibility.

Yes, well, I've lived long enough not to overreact to contradictions or perceived hypocrisy every time I see them. You'd understand that yourself, having also been a father.

A stitched-together video designed to present media support of democracies in the midst of a health panic, as morally reprehensible as the calling out a totalitarian regime's brutal mismanagement of the same policy and the bravery it takes to stand against it.

Was the incarceration of Japanese-descent US citizens in concentration camps the same immorality as Germans sending Jews to concentration camps?

The consequences of resisting lockdowns in the US, Australia or Canada were minuscule compared to the courage needed to protest against a totalitarian regime, and cannot be compared to the depth of depravity the CCP stooped to; and long after it was clear that lockdowns were not working.

Well, livelihoods were ruined for many people in Western DEMOCRACIES. People were beaten up, their bank accounts frozen (US and Canada), jobs lost. That gruesome totalitarians are harsher is not in doubt.

But the a BRAVE media would have questioned the excessive government measures in both kinds of jurisdictions, not change its principles depending on what kind of government is enforcing excessive Covid rules. But Western media and commentariat feared for their own career and so they fell in with the government lines.

It's like the old Soviet joke:
An American tells a Russian that the United States is so free he can stand in front of the White House and yell, ''To hell with Ronald Reagan.''
The Russian replies: ''We are just as free in the Soviet Union I, too, can stand in front of the Kremlin and yell, 'To hell with Ronald Reagan.''

But Soviet man is now in Western main stream media.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #174 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:33pm

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

But the a BRAVE media would have questioned the excessive government measures in both kinds of jurisdictions, not change its principles depending on what kind of government is enforcing excessive Covid rules. But Western media and commentariat feared for their own career and so they fell in with the government lines.

In the context of a panic situation, governments did what they thought was right - their politicians also having been driven by panic - even if that was to blindly follow the moves of the first to react - a totalitarian regime.

Panic is the enemy of reason; the antithesis of reason, so yes it's inevitable that institutions yield to its force in the absence of any other plan.

However, the democracies didn't take the opportunity to indulge in an orgy of inhuman brutality, as the CCP did, and continued to do until the Chinese people found out the CCP was lying to them about the need for brutal measures.

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Reply #175 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 2:20pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

But the a BRAVE media would have questioned the excessive government measures in both kinds of jurisdictions, not change its principles depending on what kind of government is enforcing excessive Covid rules. But Western media and commentariat feared for their own career and so they fell in with the government lines.

In the context of a panic situation, governments did what they thought was right - their politicians also having been driven by panic - even if that was to blindly follow the moves of the first to react - a totalitarian regime.

Panic is the enemy of reason; the antithesis of reason, so yes it's inevitable that institutions yield to its force in the absence of any other plan.

However, the democracies didn't take the opportunity to indulge in an orgy of inhuman brutality, as the CCP did, and continued to do until the Chinese people found out the CCP was lying to them about the need for brutal measures.

You nailed it.
It wasn't science they were following. They lied about that.
They panicked and went loco on the community.

Have the Chinese opened fire on their citizens yet?
I'd call that inhuman brutality.
Can't wait to hear our traitorous media's response to that when they do, cause they're going too.
Australian police were seen in a massive gang, crossing the road to bash innocent citizens walking down the footpath. The court case is current right now.
I'd call that inhuman brutality.
Australian police were seen slamming innocent peoples heads into the pavement for no reason what so ever, even jamming the butt of an AR style assault rifle into the stomach of one lady.
I'd call that inhuman brutality.
What about Australian police holding a single loan woman on the ground and ripping her dress up and exposing her to the public. I'd call that inhuman brutality.

Then at the end of all this, the police have withdrawn all the fines. So these people suffered for nothing.

As for the vid.
Frank summed it up clearly.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #176 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 2:42pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 2:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

But the a BRAVE media would have questioned the excessive government measures in both kinds of jurisdictions, not change its principles depending on what kind of government is enforcing excessive Covid rules. But Western media and commentariat feared for their own career and so they fell in with the government lines.

In the context of a panic situation, governments did what they thought was right - their politicians also having been driven by panic - even if that was to blindly follow the moves of the first to react - a totalitarian regime.

Panic is the enemy of reason; the antithesis of reason, so yes it's inevitable that institutions yield to its force in the absence of any other plan.

However, the democracies didn't take the opportunity to indulge in an orgy of inhuman brutality, as the CCP did, and continued to do until the Chinese people found out the CCP was lying to them about the need for brutal measures.

You nailed it.
It wasn't science they were following. They lied about that.
They panicked and went loco on the community.

Ever been through an ugly separation/divorce? Not much reason and science there.

As for the science. there was little to none in early 2020, just a deadly virus killing tens of thousands by the day.

Little to no knowledge of what the world was dealing with, thanks to the CCP covering up and destroying as much information that it could, with the WHO initially sending mixed and conflicting messages.

How would you have responded if you were the responsible senior politician or chief medical officer with 15 minutes to make a call?

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #177 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 3:15pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 2:20pm:

Have the Chinese opened fire on their citizens yet?
I'd call that inhuman brutality.

The CCP welded people into their homes for indefinite periods with or without food and no means to buy or receive any. The food it delivered to some was rotten. Not much humanity there.

The CCP, using its infamous quota system, took 1 person per family (2 from a family of five or more) from their homes to be sent to a covid concentration camp, regardless of whether they had tested positive or not. Humanity, much?

The CCP bashed and arrested people who broke the lockdown or protested. They weren't held accountable, they were promoted based on how tough they could be. Humanity?

The CCP separated children from their parents and bussed them to children's covid concentration camps. Will the CCP hold an inquiry into its own brutality, do you think?

You wrote 'Australian police were seen in a massive gang, crossing the road to bash innocent citizens walking down the footpath. The court case is current right now.' There are no reports of police or the dabai (big whites) facing prosecution in China for any excesses.

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Reply #178 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:33pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

But the a BRAVE media would have questioned the excessive government measures in both kinds of jurisdictions, not change its principles depending on what kind of government is enforcing excessive Covid rules. But Western media and commentariat feared for their own career and so they fell in with the government lines.

In the context of a panic situation, governments did what they thought was right - their politicians also having been driven by panic - even if that was to blindly follow the moves of the first to react - a totalitarian regime.

Panic is the enemy of reason; the antithesis of reason, so yes it's inevitable that institutions yield to its force in the absence of any other plan.

However, the democracies didn't take the opportunity to indulge in an orgy of inhuman brutality, as the CCP did, and continued to do until the Chinese people found out the CCP was lying to them about the need for brutal measures.

Western Governments copied the totalitarian panic response, to the point of beating, arresting their own people and making their lives impossible by not allowing them to work and run their businesses, even though NONE of the Western pandemic plans included lockdown and draconian totalitarian measures. All Western governments, except Sweden, threw out their own pandemic response plans in order to imitate Xi Who Must Be Obeyed.

Western politicians' instincts were shown to be exactly the same as the instincts of the hideous Chinese Commies: not trusting their own people whose servants they are supposed to be and by whose grace they are in power, but treating them as the internal enemy needing suppression and control. If anything, the MSM questioned governments that did NOT act like the CCP.

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Reply #179 - Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 3:15pm:

You wrote 'Australian police were seen in a massive gang, crossing the road to bash innocent citizens walking down the footpath. The court case is current right now.' There are no reports of police or the dabai (big whites) facing prosecution in China for any excesses.

What's your estimate of the death toll in Oz, in March-Dec 2020, if no lock-downs were enforced, before vaccines were widely available?

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