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Reply #195 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:46pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:39pm:
i couldnt see many governments reducing their surveillance capabilities, authoritarian or not.

Yes! Just ask the people of the Roman Empire with the imperial censuses!

Or the Anglo-Saxons with the Domesday book of 1086!

I'd say the predilection for surveillance is a human instinct.
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Reply #196 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:39pm:
i couldnt see many governments reducing their surveillance capabilities, authoritarian or not.

Yes! Just ask the people of the Roman Empire with the imperial censuses!

Or the Anglo-Saxons with the Domesday book of 1086!

I'd say the predilection for surveillance is a human instinct.

You can't  be serious about those being illustrative parallels.

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Reply #197 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:03pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:39pm:
i couldnt see many governments reducing their surveillance capabilities, authoritarian or not.

Yes! Just ask the people of the Roman Empire with the imperial censuses!

Or the Anglo-Saxons with the Domesday book of 1086!

I'd say the predilection for surveillance is a human instinct.



i'm sure how the CCP sell it is

"if you drop your wallet, no one is going to keep it"
"if your child is abducted, our facial recognisiton will pick it up pronto'

hell, most aussies would buy that arguement

they value safety way more then freedom

this will be the century of safety.

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Reply #198 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:55pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:39pm:
i couldnt see many governments reducing their surveillance capabilities, authoritarian or not.

Yes! Just ask the people of the Roman Empire with the imperial censuses!

Or the Anglo-Saxons with the Domesday book of 1086!

I'd say the predilection for surveillance is a human instinct.

You can't  be serious about those being illustrative parallels.


I think William the conquerer would have felt right at home with modern surveillance capabilities as would the Roman caesars!

No doubt the Sumerian and Egyptian kings and Pharaohs too!
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Reply #199 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:03pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:46pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 6:39pm:
i couldnt see many governments reducing their surveillance capabilities, authoritarian or not.

Yes! Just ask the people of the Roman Empire with the imperial censuses!

Or the Anglo-Saxons with the Domesday book of 1086!

I'd say the predilection for surveillance is a human instinct.



i'm sure how the CCP sell it is

"if you drop your wallet, no one is going to keep it"
"if your child is abducted, our facial recognisiton will pick it up pronto'

hell, most aussies would buy that arguement

they value safety way more then freedom

this will be the century of safety.


It's always been a good time for safety and security over anything else as far back as humans have existed in communities larger than family groups.
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Reply #200 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 10:57pm
 
Watch as the CCP perpetrates another Orwellian lie on the world with its so-called backing down from zero covid.

The 'backing down' will occur only in Tier-1 cities, where the CCP cannot completely restrict information from evading its 'great' firewall.

The vast majority of rural Chinese people will still be subjected to zero covid and an uber-Orwellian lifestyle - the only escape, being bussed to city factories to be enslaved in 996 conditions.

How did Orwell get it so right about East Asia? His time in Burma?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GyFZYoW_bugger
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Reply #201 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:16am
 
Well, Jiang is dead; now the CCP blame-gaming has begun over which faction is the more corrupt - the Jiang faction or the Xi faction.

Hu Jintao is still alive, he was at Jiang's funeral but flanked at all times by a security guard.
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Reply #202 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:52am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm:
It's always been a good time for safety and security over anything else as far back as humans have existed in communities larger than family groups.


of course; "all must submit to rule of law, for all to be free..." Cicero.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

Note the difference between China and the US: China has a goal of common prosperity, while the US accepts "the poor are always with us", and is determined to maintain global hegemony on that basis.  It is doomed to fail, the desire for universal sustainable prosperity is eternal.
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Reply #203 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:52am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm:
It's always been a good time for safety and security over anything else as far back as humans have existed in communities larger than family groups.


of course; "all must submit to rule of law, for all to be free..." Cicero.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

In China, all must submit to the CCP - a corrupt, totalitarian regime - at best a death cult.
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Reply #204 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:07pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:52am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm:
It's always been a good time for safety and security over anything else as far back as humans have existed in communities larger than family groups.


of course; "all must submit to rule of law, for all to be free..." Cicero.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

In China, all must submit to the CCP - a corrupt, totalitarian regime - at best a death cult.


Your ugly fake "freedom values" narrative.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

Note the difference between China and the US: China has a goal of common prosperity, while the US accepts "the poor are always with us", and is determined to maintain global hegemony on that basis.  It is doomed to fail, the desire for universal sustainable prosperity is eternal.


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Reply #205 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 11:52am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm:
It's always been a good time for safety and security over anything else as far back as humans have existed in communities larger than family groups.


of course; "all must submit to rule of law, for all to be free..." Cicero.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

In China, all must submit to the CCP - a corrupt, totalitarian regime - at best a death cult.


Your ugly fake "freedom values" narrative.

The question is: how do we create universal sustainable prosperity for all, as desired by all.

Note the difference between China and the US: China has a goal of common prosperity, while the US accepts "the poor are always with us", and is determined to maintain global hegemony on that basis.  It is doomed to fail, the desire for universal sustainable prosperity is eternal.



The CCP has the goal of total subjugation of the people as slaves, nothing more.

The world has seen what the CCP will do to the Chinese people with covid - kill them in order to save itself.
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Reply #206 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:40pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The CCP has the goal of total subjugation of the people as slaves, nothing more.


More lying filth from a fake "freedom values" ideologue.

Meanwhile the West wants to maintain global hegemony on the basis of its "the poor are always with us" narrative, designed to maximize the allocation of the nation's resources to the greediest, most competitive  individuals. 

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The world has seen what the CCP will do to the Chinese people with covid - kill them in order to save itself
 

Irrelevant, the CCP knew the special dangers of covid in China, given its still poor hinterland.

Meanwhile, a million perished in the "free" US.
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Reply #207 - Dec 8th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The CCP has the goal of total subjugation of the people as slaves, nothing more.


More lying filth from a fake "freedom values" ideologue.

Meanwhile the West wants to maintain global hegemony on the basis of its "the poor are always with us" narrative, designed to maximize the allocation of the nation's resources to the greediest, most competitive  individuals. 

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The world has seen what the CCP will do to the Chinese people with covid - kill them in order to save itself
 

Irrelevant, the CCP knew the special dangers of covid in China, given its still poor hinterland.

Meanwhile, a million perished in the "free" US.

Lying filth, eh. The Chinese people had no idea the world had reopened, had no idea that western vaccines had massively reduced the probability of death due to covid, had no idea that the omicron variant was significantly less lethal than the previous variants, had no idea that emergency mandates around the world had been lifted - until the world cup was televised in China.

The covid measures in China have become so lucrative to the CCP, (estimates are that they make up about 1.3% of GDP), that the CCP can't wean itself off the income, which will lead to Orwellian covid restrictions continuing to be imposed on all Chinese outside Tier-1 cities just to keep the money rolling in.

So, who's the lying filth?

Read what happened to the Foxconn workers' promised wage increases for staying on the job after being held indefinitely in their dorms due to endless lockdowns.
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Reply #208 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:39pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The CCP has the goal of total subjugation of the people as slaves, nothing more.


More lying filth from a fake "freedom values" ideologue.

Meanwhile the West wants to maintain global hegemony on the basis of its "the poor are always with us" narrative, designed to maximize the allocation of the nation's resources to the greediest, most competitive  individuals. 

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The world has seen what the CCP will do to the Chinese people with covid - kill them in order to save itself
 

Irrelevant, the CCP knew the special dangers of covid in China, given its still poor hinterland.

Meanwhile, a million perished in the "free" US.



Lying filth, eh.


Yes, your claim the "CCP exists to enslave the Chinese people, nothing more"..

Ideological, lying filth.

The CCP believes its governance model of political stability to achieve rapid economic progress is superior to the Western model of multi-party elections with their 'stop-start' economic policies and frequent political gridlock.

Whether or not the CCP model IS superior for achieving "common prosperity" (which is not even a goal of the Western dogma "the poor are always with us") is up for debate, but your claim above re the reason the CCP exists IS mere blind, ideological lying filth. 





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Reply #209 - Dec 9th, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 8th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The CCP has the goal of total subjugation of the people as slaves, nothing more.


More lying filth from a fake "freedom values" ideologue.

Meanwhile the West wants to maintain global hegemony on the basis of its "the poor are always with us" narrative, designed to maximize the allocation of the nation's resources to the greediest, most competitive  individuals. 

Quote:
The world has seen what the CCP will do to the Chinese people with covid - kill them in order to save itself
 

Irrelevant, the CCP knew the special dangers of covid in China, given its still poor hinterland.

Meanwhile, a million perished in the "free" US.



Lying filth, eh.


Yes, your claim the "CCP exists to enslave the Chinese people, nothing more"..

Ideological, lying filth.

The CCP believes its governance model of political stability to achieve rapid economic progress is superior to the Western model of multi-party elections with their 'stop-start' economic policies and frequent political gridlock.

Whether or not the CCP model IS superior for achieving "common prosperity" (which is not even a goal of the Western dogma "the poor are always with us") is up for debate, but your claim above re the reason the CCP exists IS mere blind, ideological lying filth. 

The CCP, not only lied to the Chinese people about covid, it exploited the Chinese people with those lies to fleece them on covid PCR tests and by forcing them to pay for their own incarceration in covid concentration camps. The CCP has made billions through these scams.

When Chinese workers in factories tried to escape the factories and return to their hometowns, the CCP turned their health code red so they were unable to use any transport services to return; just to rub it in, it imposed heavy penalties for those who aided workers who tried to walk home (including providing them food).

Since the protests, the CCP has been hunting down the protesters (via surveillance data) and bashing then arresting/disappearing them.

So, yes, the CCP exists to enslave the Chinese people, nothing more.
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