The lies the CCP told the Chinese people transgressed against another deeply-felt Chinese ideal - that of Miànzi (face).

When the Chinese people were awakened to the truth about covid that the CCP had kept from them, they quickly realised that they were collectively seen as jokes around the world. This deeply offended Chinese sensibility as it cuts deep into the Chinese psyche.

Not content with just making slaves of the Chinese people, the CCP has made them look like fools, humiliating them on the world stage.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

There are four primary motivations in men who develop a fetish for totalitarian regimes' leaders - money, power, fear and homoeroticism.

The first three require proximity to the regime and its leader; the fourth can manifest from beyond that proximity.

The CCP has had an unbroken record of depravity and brutality towards the Chinese people's five main ethnicities and the many minor ones within China.

The latest stoush that is starting to erupt is who is more depraved - The Xi faction or the Jiang faction?

Jiang's family members and associates are the Xi faction's first targets, with Hu Jintao, his family and associates next up.

The city to watch will be Shanghai, where arrests, disappearances and revenge killings will soon start.

Of the protesters, unlike the Tiananmen Square massacre, with its highly public visuals of tanks mowing people down, (something, by the way, most Chinese have never heard of - another CCP lie), the protesters will be quietly murdered either in their homes or in police cells.

The CCP is determined to get them all.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 5:31pm:


There is one great observation that can be made about an ideologue who considers another ideology to be a  "threat" that must be eliminated: a closed mind, leading to paranoia. 

Governance to promote collective well-being, as opposed to governance to promote individual "freedom" - which of necessity entrenches poverty among the least competitive members of society, are two modes of governance.

One model of governance need not be considered a "threat" to another, indeed in the complicated story of human progress it is advantageous to have two systems competing and co-operating side by side, to engender improvement in both models.

Now, you mentioned a "fetish for totalitarian regimes' leaders"; this is your great concern, not mine.

I don't give two hoots about leaders, they are only figureheads of government, and should only embody the wishes of the entire governing party.

Of course humans throughout  history have shown a remarkable proclivity for kowtowing to "leaders", like sheep in need of a shepherd.

As for China, I would prefer Xi made it clear he is the spokesman for the party and nothing more.

So.....having cleared that up, let's read on:    

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So ...."money, power, and fear"......talk about projection, these are the attributes of all "free" men; as I pointed out above, the competitive individual desires the first two, and fears government intervention as an impediment to his desires.

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Here we see the fundamentalist narrative of a paranoid ideologue - so over the top as to be absurd. 

The CCP is admired by all fair-minded people for having lifted the greatest number of people out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate of any nation in history, regardless of ethnicity and religion.


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Depraved ....for advancing the nation's prosperity?

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Pass...more narrative driven by paranoia; the battle of ideas is always centred around various factions in any  system. As for "targets", let's see who Xi's faction is responsible for targeting, and how they are  targeted.

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Criminal acts, to be sure.  Do keep us informed.

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How many of the covid protesters were locked up?

On the contrary, it seems the protesters have got their way, and forced the government to lift the covid restrictions.

Nothing like the Iranian theocrats determined to force a religious ideology onto their nation.

Notice how the previous BLM protests, and now the Iranian women rights protests create worldwide solidarity; in contrast no one bothers to protest China's system of governance, no doubt  partly because our own systems are 'on the nose' with much of the population.....

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Xi Jinping is not a figurehead of the state, he is the state.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Zero covid protesters are being hunted down and bashed in their own homes before being dragged off to prison - security video is leaking out of China of police storming into protesters' homes to bash and round them up.

You're measuring China as not as bad as Iran, eh! Some measuring stick!

BTW zero-covid has not ended. There are lucrative city-sized concentration camps making billions for the state. Zero-covid is going to kept from the world by applying it outside of Tier-1 cities.

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:28am:


Past failures are no evidence of future successes (to reverse the investment mantra...)

So..achieving collective well-being remains the finest of motivations.

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ha ha ... he didn't develop his "homo-erotic" argument, perhaps you can assist him....

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:43am:


If you insist. So I will rewrite it.

"Achieving collective well-being remains the finest of motivations".

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So.. re the "before" -  can you debate any of the issues raised?

As for the "after", you reveal how you normalize the "deceptive, chronic, generational' poverty marring the fake "freedom values" Western ideology, and so write off collective well-being as a banality. Loser.