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Reply #285 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 2:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
You mean....I'm not aware of my "fetishist obsession" with Xi?  (Perhaps I was abused by my father, and can't remember it? ......)

Difficult to analyze that, ... whereas I can explain your delusional "freedom values" ideology, since you  are unaware of the effect of your vestigial reptilian brain (with its automatic "freedom" survival instincts)  on your cortex ("thinking") brain.

I don't need to analyze it, or theorise on its origin, to read it in your posts.

You're just not aware that you post in the same style as those with fetishistic obsessions for Nazism and Stalinism would have.


ah-ha, I see...... you mean my comments about 'collective well-being', or 'common prosperity' have  similarities with the failed philosophies of national "socialism" or soviet "communism".   

No, it's the regurgitation of totalitarian regimes' standard propaganda, that is the first sign; that espouses common prosperity and national well-being by promising to advance the cause of their archetype of the model citizen.

What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.

When they are securely in power they publicly turn on 'the other' and demand all model citizens do the same. They then demand absolute loyalty and total obeisance to the party in all matters in order to advance common prosperity and national well-being.

Of course, they are actually accumulating absolute and unaccountable power, which is where the likes of you tend to double down on the propaganda - proportional to the amount of power amassed by the paramount leader.

If common prosperity and general well-being are what you were really driven by, you would have studied Bhutanese society and politics.
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Reply #286 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 2:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:59pm:
WOW!

That's really DEEP, man. Your own?



Well...despite my modesty, I will own up to it....

So... back to it: what is your design for "an economy which works for all"  (to borrow 'social democrat' Bernie Sanders' phrase).

"Xi non-fetishists" invited to contribute...
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Reply #287 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 3:53pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:25pm:
athos wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:18pm:
British colony Australia has definitely become a fascist country.
So didn't Snowden escape in China and seek political asylum in Russia.
Assange would have done the same if he could.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRirF9oY-s[]

Snowden sought asylum in Hong Kong before the CCP had control of the place.

How many of the soon-to-be unemployed, psychopathic dabai will now have to be repurposed to bash rural Chinese, do you reckon?

And those covid concentration camp cities that have been built over the last 3 years, what do you think they'll be used for?


Didn't China liberate Hong Kong from British occupation in 1997?

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Reply #288 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 2:08pm:
No, it's the regurgitation of totalitarian regimes' standard propaganda, that is the first sign; that espouses common prosperity and national well-being by promising to advance the cause of their archetype of the model citizen.


Well.... that definitely lets me off the hook - the "archetype of the model citizen" is as far from my understanding of the human animal as you can get (whether "model citizen" or  not...)....driven by instinctive, individual-natural-rights/"freedom values" delusions*** which in the aggregate, creates the chaos of endless war and entrenched poverty  we see in our world..... nothing '"model" about such a citizen. 

*** sorry about the "word salad" ......


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What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.


Surely not an intention, but a result of falling into the trap of "the ends justifies the means"...

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When they are securely in power they publicly turn on 'the other' and demand all model citizens do the same. They then demand absolute loyalty and total obeisance to the party in all matters in order to advance common prosperity and national well-being.


Don't tar me with that brush, I'm seeking successful governance of the above-described  human animal ....
"to advance common prosperity and national well-being" in all nations.

That's why (in a previous post) I mentioned the folly of 'national sovereignty' to which you subscribe,  from which even the CCP must eventually extricate itself, to avoid an endless nuclear arms race.   


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Of course, they are actually accumulating absolute and unaccountable power, which is where the likes of you tend to double down on the propaganda - proportional to the amount of power amassed by the paramount leader.



Hmmm... "absolute power".....which changes policy in the face of national protests, as we have seen in China?

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If common prosperity and general well-being are what you were really driven by, you would have studied Bhutanese society and politics.



You mean the Gross Happiness Index? (GHI, as opposed to GDP...)

Thanks for mentioning it.

https://ophi.org.uk/policy/gross-national-happiness-index/

Bhutan and the UN Resolution on Happiness and Development

In 2011, the UN unanimously adopted a General Assembly resolution, introduced by Bhutan with support from 68 member states, calling for a “holistic approach to development” aimed at promoting sustainable happiness and wellbeing. This was followed in April 2012 by a UN High-Level Meeting on “Happiness and Wellbeing: Defining a New Economic Paradigm” designed to bring world leaders, experts and civil society and spiritual leaders together to develop a new economic paradigm based on sustainability and wellbeing. This builds on the Government of Bhutan’s pioneering work to develop the GNH Index.

I wonder how many Western countries voted for the resolution......
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Reply #289 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 2:08pm:
No, it's the regurgitation of totalitarian regimes' standard propaganda, that is the first sign; that espouses common prosperity and national well-being by promising to advance the cause of their archetype of the model citizen.


Well.... that definitely lets me off the hook - the "archetype of the model citizen" is as far from my understanding of the human animal as you can get (whether "model citizen" or  not...)....driven by instinctive, individual-natural-rights/"freedom values" delusions*** which in the aggregate, creates the chaos of endless war and entrenched poverty  we see in our world..... nothing '"model" about such a citizen. 

*** sorry about the "word salad" ......




Gawd, you ARE an idiot, parrot.

So if freedom is a natural instinct in human you are going to 'educate' it out of them by applying Xi thought. Millennia of hierarchical life observed in every animal and human species, at all times and places,  will now finally be RECTIFIED by Chinese common prosperity Xi Thought as you have been rabbiting on about it.

Never mind a bee - you have several fkkn bee hives under your bonnet. People who know you must be avoiding you like the plague.

"Cup of coffee?"
"That's such a freedom ideology question, driven by instinctive personal autonomy ideology and assumptions, addressed above'.



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Reply #290 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 7:30pm
 
athos wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 3:53pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:25pm:
athos wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:18pm:
British colony Australia has definitely become a fascist country.
So didn't Snowden escape in China and seek political asylum in Russia.
Assange would have done the same if he could.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRirF9oY-s[]

Snowden sought asylum in Hong Kong before the CCP had control of the place.

How many of the soon-to-be unemployed, psychopathic dabai will now have to be repurposed to bash rural Chinese, do you reckon?

And those covid concentration camp cities that have been built over the last 3 years, what do you think they'll be used for?


Didn't China liberate Hong Kong from British occupation in 1997?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzg3cSIUNoA[]

No. The 99-year lease expired.
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Reply #291 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 7:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 2:08pm:
No, it's the regurgitation of totalitarian regimes' standard propaganda, that is the first sign; that espouses common prosperity and national well-being by promising to advance the cause of their archetype of the model citizen.


Well.... that definitely lets me off the hook - the "archetype of the model citizen" is as far from my understanding of the human animal as you can get (whether "model citizen" or  not...)....driven by instinctive, individual-natural-rights/"freedom values" delusions*** which in the aggregate, creates the chaos of endless war and entrenched poverty  we see in our world..... nothing '"model" about such a citizen. 

*** sorry about the "word salad" ......

Under a totalitarian regime, the model citizen is whatever the regime says it is and submits to its goal of absolute and unaccountable power over the citizenry.
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Reply #292 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
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If common prosperity and general well-being are what you were really driven by, you would have studied Bhutanese society and politics.



You mean the Gross Happiness Index? (GHI, as opposed to GDP...)

Thanks for mentioning it.

https://ophi.org.uk/policy/gross-national-happiness-index/

Bhutan and the UN Resolution on Happiness and Development

In 2011, the UN unanimously adopted a General Assembly resolution, introduced by Bhutan with support from 68 member states, calling for a “holistic approach to development” aimed at promoting sustainable happiness and wellbeing. This was followed in April 2012 by a UN High-Level Meeting on “Happiness and Wellbeing: Defining a New Economic Paradigm” designed to bring world leaders, experts and civil society and spiritual leaders together to develop a new economic paradigm based on sustainability and wellbeing. This builds on the Government of Bhutan’s pioneering work to develop the GNH Index.

I wonder how many Western countries voted for the resolution......

You'd have an issue then with the CCP threatening Bhutan's territorial integrity by claiming that chunks of Bhutan are now Chinese territory.
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Reply #293 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
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What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.


Surely not an intention, but a result of falling into the trap of "the ends justifies the means"...


Absolutely it's an intention. All totalitarian regimes have a list of undesirable ethnicities and political dissidents deemed fifth-columnist enemies of the state.
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Reply #294 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
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Of course, they are actually accumulating absolute and unaccountable power, which is where the likes of you tend to double down on the propaganda - proportional to the amount of power amassed by the paramount leader.

Hmmm... "absolute power".....which changes policy in the face of national protests, as we have seen in China?

The CCP backed down when the Chinese people accidentally discovered, via the televising of the world cup that, not only had the CCP lied to them about covid, it had made fools out of the Chinese people on the world stage.

The latter is a serious transgression of the ancient cultural sensibility of mianzi.

Those are the reasons the CCP had to back down.
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Reply #295 - Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:04am
 
"and the truth will set you free" - after the truth sets itself free.

It's now leaking out that the CCP allowed certain people, with enough guanxi with the party, to set up companies to test for the presence of covid RNA from PCR tests.

Naturally, being China under the CCP, these companies turned out to be reporting fraudulent results because they were not actually testing at all; they were applying CCP reporting quotas.

The Chinese people discovered this when millions of them, with green health codes, were being notified to report for transport to covid concentration camps.

They quickly discovered that testing companies were creaming off millions of dollars for fraudulent tests (cha bu duo strikes again).

Of course, after the truth set itself free, the CCP went into damage control and is deflecting blame to a few bad apples. However, all of these companies' owners and directors had close and direct relationships with CCP officials and its security bureau.

To rub it in further, the CCP has applied quotas on the number of people required to be quarantined in covid concentration camps. If a camp is not full, the CCP directs the local authorities to up its quota of positive test results The reason for this is that those quarantined must pay for their own quarantining, so the process has become a cash cow for the party.
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Reply #296 - Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
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What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.


Surely not an intention, but a result of falling into the trap of "the ends justifies the means"...


Absolutely it's an intention. All totalitarian regimes have a list of undesirable ethnicities and political dissidents deemed fifth-columnist enemies of the state.


Of course separatist terrorists ought to be reeducated, as opposed to executed or bombed, US style.
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Reply #297 - Dec 16th, 2022 at 1:02pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:04am:
"and the truth will set you free" - after the truth sets itself free.


Ah ha, I note your added rider...as if truth has to set itself free (an oxymoron)....before truth can set individuals free.

Good try, but no cigar.

Objective truth exists, and therefore cannot "set itself free", but rather, individuals who discover truth can set themselves free.


Try this quote:

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings".

My explanation (the complete "word salad" - in full):

Instinctive 'survival of the fittest' behaviours, delusional 'individual natural rights' (which don't exist in nature), and liberal "freedom values" ideologies  (conveniently favouring the most competitive) ......

explains the insane human condition of endless wars and endless poverty, in a world of plenty.

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It's now leaking out that the CCP allowed certain people, with enough guanxi with the party, to set up companies to test for the presence of covid RNA from PCR tests.

Naturally, being China under the CCP, these companies turned out to be reporting fraudulent results because they were not actually testing at all; they were applying CCP reporting quotas.

The Chinese people discovered this when millions of them, with green health codes, were being notified to report for transport to covid concentration camps.

They quickly discovered that testing companies were creaming off millions of dollars for fraudulent tests (cha bu duo strikes again).

Of course, after the truth set itself free, the CCP went into damage control and is deflecting blame to a few bad apples. However, all of these companies' owners and directors had close and direct relationships with CCP officials and its security bureau.

To rub it in further, the CCP has applied quotas on the number of people required to be quarantined in covid concentration camps. If a camp is not full, the CCP directs the local authorities to up its quota of positive test results The reason for this is that those quarantined must pay for their own quarantining, so the process has become a cash cow for the party.


Well.... congrats for recovering your calmness, but it's 'mirror time', I'm afraid, though of course your ideological blindness - explained above in the "word salad" despised by you, means you are incapable of looking in the mirror...... in a blindness known as the human condition.

The CCP is the last of your problems; the Ukraine war (merely another of mankind's endless wars, in this case an ongoing proxy war between NATO and the defunct USSR in the present form of Russia) is driving up energy and food prices and is wrecking the market economy so beloved by you....

Which is why a Santos goon today actually  referred to the govt's. market intervention via a gas price cap, as "soviet market intervention"....exactly what is needed.
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Reply #298 - Dec 16th, 2022 at 1:02pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06pm:
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What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.


Surely not an intention, but a result of falling into the trap of "the ends justifies the means"...


Absolutely it's an intention. All totalitarian regimes have a list of undesirable ethnicities and political dissidents deemed fifth-columnist enemies of the state.


Of course separatist terrorists ought to be reeducated, as opposed to executed or bombed, US style.

With the Nazis, the claimed fifth-columnist ethnicities (Untermenschen) requiring extermination were primarily Jews, Gypsies and Slavs - then there were the Jehovah's Witnesses (Too many door-knockers in 1930s Germany? Go figure).

With Stalin, up for extermination (Repressed Peoples) were Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Soviet Koreans, Karachays, Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Crimean Tatars, Meskhetian Turks, Georgian Kurds, Khemshils (Muslim Armenians), and Pontic Greeks - no doubt the Nazis would have agreed with Stalin's choice and all people of unbreakable religious faith, landowners and intellectuals.

With Mao - just about every ethnicity outside Han Chinese and all people of religious faith, landowners and intellectuals.
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Reply #299 - Dec 16th, 2022 at 1:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 1:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16th, 2022 at 9:04am:
"and the truth will set you free" - after the truth sets itself free.


Ah ha, I note your added rider...as if truth has to set itself free (an oxymoron)....before truth can set individuals free.

Good try, but no cigar.

Objective truth exists, and therefore cannot "set itself free", but rather, individuals who discover truth can set themselves free.


Try this quote:

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings".

My explanation (the complete "word salad" - in full):

Instinctive 'survival of the fittest' behaviours, delusional 'individual natural rights' (which don't exist in nature), and liberal "freedom values" ideologies  (conveniently favouring the most competitive) ......

explains the insane human condition of endless wars and endless poverty, in a world of plenty.

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It's now leaking out that the CCP allowed certain people, with enough guanxi with the party, to set up companies to test for the presence of covid RNA from PCR tests.

Naturally, being China under the CCP, these companies turned out to be reporting fraudulent results because they were not actually testing at all; they were applying CCP reporting quotas.

The Chinese people discovered this when millions of them, with green health codes, were being notified to report for transport to covid concentration camps.

They quickly discovered that testing companies were creaming off millions of dollars for fraudulent tests (cha bu duo strikes again).

Of course, after the truth set itself free, the CCP went into damage control and is deflecting blame to a few bad apples. However, all of these companies' owners and directors had close and direct relationships with CCP officials and its security bureau.

To rub it in further, the CCP has applied quotas on the number of people required to be quarantined in covid concentration camps. If a camp is not full, the CCP directs the local authorities to up its quota of positive test results The reason for this is that those quarantined must pay for their own quarantining, so the process has become a cash cow for the party.


Well.... congrats for recovering your calmness, but it's 'mirror time', I'm afraid, though of course your ideological blindness - explained above in the "word salad" despised by you, means you are incapable of looking in the mirror...... in a blindness known as the human condition.

The CCP is the last of your problems; the Ukraine war (merely another of mankind's endless wars, in this case an ongoing proxy war between NATO and the defunct USSR in the present form of Russia) is driving up energy and food prices and is wrecking the market economy so beloved by you....

Which is why a Santos goon today actually  referred to the govt's. market intervention via a gas price cap, as "soviet market intervention"....exactly what is needed.

The situation is so bad, the Chinese people, are now questioning the entire CCP structure - recognising it as hopelessly corrupted and in need of overthrow.

Reports coming out of China are similar to those of Hitler in his bunker towards the end of WW2. Apparently, Xi is being lied to by foreign-language translators and apparatchiks about the true state of the CCP's losing control of the country for fear of angering him.

The current border clash along the LAC with India appears to have been ordered and initiated by the PLA's western command and not from Beijing.


Ironically, no other country would want to see this happen, as the political vacuum, post-CCP overthrow, as China rips itself apart, would be gargantuan.
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