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Reply #300 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 15^th, 2022 at 8:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 15^th, 2022 at 5:06pm:

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What they're generally less vocal about initially is that they intend to eradicate by murder and genocide those deemed traitors and fifth-columnists within their respective societies.

Surely not an intention, but a result of falling into the trap of "the ends justifies the means"...

Absolutely it's an intention. All totalitarian regimes have a list of undesirable ethnicities and political dissidents deemed fifth-columnist enemies of the state.

Of course separatist terrorists ought to be reeducated, as opposed to executed or bombed, US style.

With the Nazis, the claimed fifth-columnist ethnicities (Untermenschen) requiring extermination were primarily Jews, Gypsies and Slavs - then there were the Jehovah's Witnesses (Too many door-knockers in 1930s Germany? Go figure).

With Stalin, up for extermination (Repressed Peoples) were Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Soviet Koreans, Karachays, Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Crimean Tatars, Meskhetian Turks, Georgian Kurds, Khemshils (Muslim Armenians), and Pontic Greeks - no doubt the Nazis would have agreed with Stalin's choice and all people of unbreakable religious faith, landowners and intellectuals.

With Mao - just about every ethnicity outside Han Chinese and all people of religious faith, landowners and intellectuals.

At least you haven't included Xi in this list of totalitarian dictators... the time when you will be capable of looking in the (famous) mirror might be getting closer....

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Reply #301 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 9:04am:

"and the truth will set you free" - after the truth sets itself free.

Ah ha, I note your added rider...as if truth has to set itself free (an oxymoron)....before truth can set individuals free.

Good try, but no cigar.

Objective truth exists, and therefore cannot "set itself free", but rather, individuals who discover truth can set themselves free.

Interesting, you're a literalist (as many non-first-language English speakers from certain language groups tend to be).

You're not as familiar with English as you'd like to appear.

English is not your first language, I'd bet.

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Reply #302 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

At least you haven't included Xi in this list of totalitarian dictators... the time when you will be capable of looking in the (famous) mirror might be getting closer....

Zero-covid, and the mountain of corruption and needless death it ultimately evoked, was Xi's personal plan and is inextricably linked to his name - as hard and as fast as the cultural revolution is linked to Mao.

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Reply #303 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 9:04am:

"and the truth will set you free" - after the truth sets itself free.

Ah ha, I note your added rider...as if truth has to set itself free (an oxymoron)....before truth can set individuals free.

Good try, but no cigar.

Objective truth exists, and therefore cannot "set itself free", but rather, individuals who discover truth can set themselves free.

Try this quote:

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings".

My explanation (the complete "word salad" - in full):

Instinctive 'survival of the fittest' behaviours, delusional 'individual natural rights' (which don't exist in nature), and liberal "freedom values" ideologies (conveniently favouring the most competitive) ......

explains the insane human condition of endless wars and endless poverty, in a world of plenty.

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It's now leaking out that the CCP allowed certain people, with enough guanxi with the party, to set up companies to test for the presence of covid RNA from PCR tests.

Naturally, being China under the CCP, these companies turned out to be reporting fraudulent results because they were not actually testing at all; they were applying CCP reporting quotas.

The Chinese people discovered this when millions of them, with green health codes, were being notified to report for transport to covid concentration camps.

They quickly discovered that testing companies were creaming off millions of dollars for fraudulent tests (cha bu duo strikes again).

Of course, after the truth set itself free, the CCP went into damage control and is deflecting blame to a few bad apples. However, all of these companies' owners and directors had close and direct relationships with CCP officials and its security bureau.

To rub it in further, the CCP has applied quotas on the number of people required to be quarantined in covid concentration camps. If a camp is not full, the CCP directs the local authorities to up its quota of positive test results The reason for this is that those quarantined must pay for their own quarantining, so the process has become a cash cow for the party.

Well.... congrats for recovering your calmness, but it's 'mirror time', I'm afraid, though of course your ideological blindness - explained above in the "word salad" despised by you, means you are incapable of looking in the mirror...... in a blindness known as the human condition.

The CCP is the last of your problems; the Ukraine war (merely another of mankind's endless wars, in this case an ongoing proxy war between NATO and the defunct USSR in the present form of Russia) is driving up energy and food prices and is wrecking the market economy so beloved by you....

Which is why a Santos goon today actually referred to the govt's. market intervention via a gas price cap, as "soviet market intervention"....exactly what is needed.

The situation is so bad, the Chinese people, are now questioning the entire CCP structure - recognising it as hopelessly corrupted and in need of overthrow.

Still, there is no avoiding the (famous) mirror time, unfortunately for you, in the age of MAD.

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Reports coming out of China are similar to those of Hitler in his bunker towards the end of WW2.

Not really, Xi as head of a powerful economy is travelling and meeting leaders around the globe. cf Hitler's (and Germany's) miserable condition in 1945.

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Apparently, Xi is being lied to by foreign-language translators and apparatchiks about the true state of the CCP's losing control of the country for fear of angering him.

Reversal of official covid policy doesn't represent loss of control, just a manifestation of the ubiquitous disputes all around the world re correct pandemic management.

But certainly, Chinese economists have to pull their fingers out, if they want to maintain the CCP's "social contract" with the people.

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The current border clash along the LAC with India appears to have been ordered and initiated by the PLA's western command and not from Beijing.

The human condition....tribal lands, etc. ....very disappointing China and India can't draw a line and shake hands on it...

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Ironically, no other country would want to see this happen, as the political vacuum, post-CCP overthrow, as China rips itself apart, would be gargantuan.

Bigger than the current global chaos caused by endless wars and endless poverty?

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Reply #304 - Dec 17^th, 2022 at 10:22am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

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The situation is so bad, the Chinese people, are now questioning the entire CCP structure - recognising it as hopelessly corrupted and in need of overthrow.

Still, there is no avoiding the (famous) mirror time, unfortunately for you, in the age of MAD.

MAD - Always used as a threat with monotonous regularity by totalitarian regimes and by those with a fetish for them.

Most recently Putin's Russia, that has been warned publicly by India (and the CCP - notwithstanding that it also plays the nuke threat game), that they will withdraw their support for Russia if Putin uses a nuke.

And then, of course, there's North Korea.

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Reply #305 - Dec 17^th, 2022 at 10:35am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

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Reports coming out of China are similar to those of Hitler in his bunker towards the end of WW2.

Not really, Xi as head of a powerful economy is travelling and meeting leaders around the globe. cf Hitler's (and Germany's) miserable condition in 1945.

Quite publicly was the Chinese mistranslation of Justin Trudeau's comments directly to Xi Jinping.

Trudeau: 'In Canada, we believe in free and open and frank dialogue and that is what we will continue to have and will continue to look and work constructively together but there will be things that we will disagree on; you will have to continue that...'

Translator: 'I hope we can have free and open dialogue, some of which can be constructive but...'

On hearing this mistranslation Xi cut in and said, 'let's create the conditions first'.

A translator's job is to translate directly without misdirection and word twisting.

Xi, while now the CCP's paramount leader, will now be manipulated via misinformation and begin the slide towards murderous, pathological paranoia as what happened to Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

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Reply #306 - Dec 17^th, 2022 at 11:03am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

Reversal of official covid policy doesn't represent loss of control, just a manifestation of the ubiquitous disputes all around the world re correct pandemic management.

The reversal of the zero-covid policy was a direct result of the CCP's sense of existential threat created by its own actions.

By being shown to have lied to the Chinese people and having caused them to feel they had lost face on the world stage, the CCP had no choice but to reverse its zero-covid policy.

Its problem now is that the CCP built city-sized covid concentration camps and an army of zero-covid enforcers (the dabai) and not medical infrastructure and services, meaning that the medical infrastructure that does exist is doomed to collapse.

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Reply #307 - Jan 8^th, 2023 at 2:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 17^th, 2022 at 10:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

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Reports coming out of China are similar to those of Hitler in his bunker towards the end of WW2.

Not really, Xi as head of a powerful economy is travelling and meeting leaders around the globe. cf Hitler's (and Germany's) miserable condition in 1945.

Quite publicly was the Chinese mistranslation of Justin Trudeau's comments directly to Xi Jinping.

Trudeau: 'In Canada, we believe in free and open and frank dialogue and that is what we will continue to have

Ok, so far so good. ie, government via elected adversarial parties.

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and will continue to look and work constructively together

The meaning is already unclear; I presume Trudeau is saying Canada will continue to work with China?

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but there will be things that we will disagree on; you will have to continue that...'

Translator: 'I hope we can have free and open dialogue, some of which can be constructive but...'

On hearing this mistranslation Xi cut in and said, 'let's create the conditions first'.

ie create the conditions for co-operation first, not based on "all are created equal", and its associated delusional "rights" theory":

We hold 1. these truths to be self-evident, that 2. all men are created equal, that 3. they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. These words start a chapter in American history that fundamentally changed the world.

1. "Self evident"?

2. obvious nonsense, should read "all justly deserve to exist equally under the law."

3. "Rights" exist for all... or none. In fact "rights" can only exist under law, regardless of the role of the "Creator".

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A translator's job is to translate directly without misdirection and word twisting.

The translator was close enough: some dialogue can't be constructive because you accuse of us being "authoritarian", when your own "freedom values" are based on delusions, such "men are created equal", and the "Creator" granted certain rights.

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Xi, while now the CCP's paramount leader, will now be manipulated via misinformation and begin the slide towards murderous, pathological paranoia as what happened to Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Xi is too intelligent for that, he is already fully aware of the devious, self-interested Western "freedom values" delusions.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #308 - Jan 10^th, 2023 at 1:56pm A cry for help
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13037 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #309 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:40am athos wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 1:56pm: A cry for help Yes it's very sad. But a stone age culture cannot be resurrected, these people are being misled by white "land rights" legal scholars; what is needed is the government to create common prosperity for all Australians.
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Reply #310 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:49pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

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Translator: 'I hope we can have free and open dialogue, some of which can be constructive but...'

On hearing this mistranslation Xi cut in and said, 'let's create the conditions first'.

ie create the conditions for co-operation first, not based on "all are created equal", and its associated delusional "rights" theory":

We hold 1. these truths to be self-evident, that 2. all men are created equal, that 3. they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. These words start a chapter in American history that fundamentally changed the world.

1. "Self evident"?

2. obvious nonsense, should read "all justly deserve to exist equally under the law."

3. "Rights" exist for all... or none. In fact "rights" can only exist under law, regardless of the role of the "Creator".

I know you don't get out of the house much, but even one of your quick googles will tell you that Trudeau is a Canadian Prime Minister, not an American president or an American, so quoting the US Declaration of Independence - not relevant.

I bet even Xi knew that, who's more concerned about assassination than Trudeau.

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Reply #311 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

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Xi, while now the CCP's paramount leader, will now be manipulated via misinformation and begin the slide towards murderous, pathological paranoia as what happened to Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Xi is too intelligent for that, he is already fully aware of the devious, self-interested Western "freedom values" delusions.

Xi is already being fed misinformation. The collapse of his zero-covid madness was at least 3 months overdue as covid was tearing through the population by as early as September 2022 (maybe earlier), but no one was telling Xi how bad it was until it couldn't be denied.

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Reply #312 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

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Xi, while now the CCP's paramount leader, will now be manipulated via misinformation and begin the slide towards murderous, pathological paranoia as what happened to Mao, Stalin and Hitler.

Xi is too intelligent for that, he is already fully aware of the devious, self-interested Western "freedom values" delusions.

Xi is already being fed misinformation. The collapse of his zero-covid madness was at least 3 months overdue as covid was tearing through the population by as early as September 2022 (maybe earlier), but no one was telling Xi how bad it was until it couldn't be denied.

No; the CCP realized it had to accept overwhelming public opinion against the prison-like covid lockdowns

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Reply #313 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

I know you don't get out of the house much, but even one of your quick googles will tell you that Trudeau is a Canadian Prime Minister, not an American president or an American, so quoting the US Declaration of Independence - not relevant.

Wrong again: the entire West's delusional "freedom" ideology is based on the delusions of Western Classical Liberalism and "inalienable rights": see the thread currently looking at this matter***. So the translator knew there were some things it is not possible to agree on, given these delusions on the Western side.

** https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1673142277/60#69]

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I bet even Xi knew that, who's more concerned about assassination than Trudeau.

Well...leading is dangerous in this world.

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Reply #314 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 5:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:49pm:

I know you don't get out of the house much, but even one of your quick googles will tell you that Trudeau is a Canadian Prime Minister, not an American president or an American, so quoting the US Declaration of Independence - not relevant.

Wrong again: the entire West's delusional "freedom" ideology is based on the delusions of Western Classical Liberalism and "inalienable rights": see the thread currently looking at this matter***.

I'd bet those victims of organ harvesting whose organs kept those CCP seniors alive wished they had the right to keep their organs.

Those old c~nts are now dropping like flies with covid. Estimates are that at least 40% of them will die unable to breathe from white-lung. Here's hoping their deaths are painful.

Even the Chinese people, who are used to daily atrocities carried out by the CCP are shocked at how so many were recipients of multiple organ transplants ripped from live perfect-matching victims.

Here's to the lot of them dying from covid.

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