Gordon wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 8:54pm:

Dan of the great white north.
As full of shite as each other.


Sad.

Gordon wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 9:38pm:

How long do you think you could live in Canada as opposed to China?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 9:39pm:

China under the CCP does not submit to the rule of law. The CCP rules by law.

It's not democracy that's declining, it's you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 9:59pm:

By defending a regime that doesn't submit to the rule of law.

You know so little about the Chinese psyche under the CCP. China is the greatest polluter of the land, sea and air by a margin that beats all the rest of the world's pollution combined. Not much well-being in that.

And so Jiang Zemin has died (aged 96).

His successor as leader of the former Jiang faction will be known soon enough.

Let's see what happens in his old stronghold of Shanghai.

There will likely be an upturn in popular resentment towards Xi and the Xi faction - Jiang's bitter enemies.

Hu Jintao is expected to be attending his funeral. Let's see if the Xi faction announces that Hu is 'too sick to attend' Jiang's funeral.

Would all this increase the likelihood of further protests? Likely, although more protests will undoubtedly sharpen the bloodlust brewing in the Xi faction for a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown.

All CCP leaders have loved the smell of blood on the streets in the morning.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 5:21am:

That's what elections are for. The Chinese people don't get that luxury.

As for lockdowns, that was a CCP idea rolled out in China in 2020 which, in the absence of any other plan, and in a panic, the world adopted.

Of course, the CCP lied to the world about the lockdowns' effectiveness, claiming China had eradicated the virus within 3 months; then organised a massive pool party in Wuhan to celebrate, and the world believed them.

Maybe we should treat CCP information, shitting its way out of China, with the contempt it deserves.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:


Well done: you have decided to debate the issue, instead of descending to ad hominems when your "freedom values" ideology leaves you floundering.

Your assertion above (highlighted) is wrong. While I do look with interest to the Chinese model of achieving a "prosperous socialist society in all respects"  (and would like to see it succeed, as opposed to blindly defending it), your assertion that China lacks rule of law is absurd. 

Law is not dependent on blind leading the blind, adversarial parties who supposedly gain legitimacy via 'democratic' elections (despite the murder and mayhem surrounding these elections in many countries).

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Now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, in a debate about models for achieving effective rule of law. China is already the world's largest renewables energy producer, and is rapidly moving to clean up pollution in the physical environment.

"Prosperous in all respects" includes "beautiful, healthy, green environment" as per the centenary goals (2049).
Of course lifting 1 billion people out of absolute poverty ASAP involved 2 centuries' worth of pollution in the West being concentrated into 3 decades of pollution in China, but China is now moving rapidly into the clean-up stage.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 10:47am:

Rule of law requires that all citizens of the state submit to it, as all parties within a democracy do. The CCP and its officials do not submit to, and are not required to submit to, the rule of law.

The CCP is riddled with adversarial parties that undermine each other whenever they can and disappear or imprison those rivals whose power and influence weaken to the point that the dominant faction can successfully disappear/imprison them without serious consequences or reprisals.

In China under the CCP, the law is applied to those whom the dominant faction wants to be removed. This is how Xi removed many of his rivals - by accusing them of corruption, (despite the fact that the Chinese practice of guanxi necessarily requires the capacity and willingness to act corruptly). No Xi-faction member in favour has been accused of corruption.

Rule of law also requires that the judicial system is independent of influence and control from the political process. In China, the CCP instructs the judge on the required outcome and the sentence.

So, you see, you support a system devised by a people you have no comprehension of - a lonely old codger with a teenager's understanding of his pet subject.