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China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Nov 27^th, 2022 at 12:12pm

Reports filtering out from China indicate that major uprisings against Xi Jinping and the CCP have erupted across China.

The next week or two will indicate whether this is as serious as Tiananmen Square and, if so, whether the CCP will perpetrate a massacre of the protesting Chinese people.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5429 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #1 - Nov 27^th, 2022 at 12:29pm Very interesting. We have known for some time that all was not well in the peoples paradise, however it seems to be escalating to a whole new level. One can only hope something good comes out of it.
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Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2022 at 12:41pm

Belgarion wrote on Nov 27^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

Very interesting. We have known for some time that all was not well in the peoples paradise, however it seems to be escalating to a whole new level. One can only hope something good comes out of it.

The Jiang faction's bending the knee to the Xi faction at the recent party congress, allowing Xi to assume Mao-like power, was reported to be part of the Jiang faction's strategy to blame Xi and the Xi faction for all the anticipated social and political unrest then predicted to sweep China in the near future.

This will pivot on which faction ultimately commands the loyalty of the PLA - Given the Xi faction is enforcing the lockdowns, it doesn't look good for Xi.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12584 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #3 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:35am Given Shanghai is a Jiang faction stronghold, it's likely too much of a coincidence that the most determined resistance by the people is centred there. It's a good bet that the Jiang faction is covertly supporting the protesters.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21632 ACT Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #4 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:39am I see the latest news of large protests across China calling for Xi Jinping to resign over the covid lockdowns. Another Tiananmen Square in the making I wouldnt be surprised.
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Reply #5 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 8:02am

Perhaps the Chinese people haven't forgotten being starved to death by the CCP after all. Xi seems to be another Mao in the making.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63771109

Protests against strict Covid measures in China have spilled into a second night and spread to the biggest cities.

Demonstrators gathered in the capital Beijing and the financial hub Shanghai.

Many held up blank pieces of paper to express their discontent and acknowledge the censorship. Some have, however, gone as far as calling for President Xi Jinping to step down.

Millions have been affected by nearly three years of mass testing, quarantines and snap lockdowns.

It is very unusual for people to publicly vent their anger at Communist Party leaders in China, where any direct government criticism can result in harsh penalties.

During Saturday night's protest in the city people were heard openly shouting slogans such as "Xi Jinping, step down" and "Communist party, step down".

Such demands are highly unusual in China.

But the government appears to have drastically underestimated growing discontent towards the zero-Covid approach, a policy inextricably linked to President Xi who recently pledged there would be no swerving from it.

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Reply #6 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 8:13am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 7:35am:

Given Shanghai is a Jiang faction stronghold, it's likely too much of a coincidence that the most determined resistance by the people is centred there.

It's a good bet that the Jiang faction is covertly supporting the protesters.

Another factional motivation for supporting the protesters will be from the Hu faction.

Xi's public humiliation of Hu Jintao - whose support base was the Youth League - has its strongest support in Shanghai.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46580 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #7 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 11:15am Goons promoting common prosperity and consensus. https://mobile.twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1596815452654960640
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #8 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 12:03pm I think it wishful thinking to believe the CCP is not in firm control of China. Its easy for them in a country without any accountability. Protesters will simply disappear.
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Reply #9 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 12:44pm

Frank wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 11:15am:

Goons promoting common prosperity and consensus.

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Wow. Even when it is one small woman standing in their path, armed with nothing more than a phone camera, they still huddle together and gang up on her.

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Reply #10 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 12:56pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 12:03pm:

I think it wishful thinking to believe the CCP is not in firm control of China. Its easy for them in a country without any accountability. Protesters will simply disappear.

No revolution or coup can succeed without the assistance of the military.

Within the CCP, there are factions that are bitter rivals - primarily among them all are the Xi and Jiang faction.

So, there are many factors.

First, which faction commands the loyalty of the PLA?

Would the PLA act against Xi or the CCP if commanded to support a coup?

Does the Jiang faction want to overthrow Xi, or just weaken him such that he becomes a puppet leader, with all blame for CCP failure deflectable to Xi?

How will the dice roll in the event of a coup? There's always the unexpected (and unintended consequences), and the Jiang faction could find itself also swept from power along with the Xi faction in the event of one.

What could possibly replace the CCP, and stabilise the country quickly, after its 73-year molestation and raping of the Chinese people, without the country tearing itself apart through separatist movements and acts of revenge?

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20625 Gordon Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #11 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 1:03pm The authorities must have their hands full because even tiktok is full of footage.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12584 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #12 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 1:23pm Gordon wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 1:03pm: The authorities must have their hands full because even tiktok is full of footage. Yes. Either the sheer volume of posts has overwhelmed CCP surveillance systems, or the surveillance systems' operators and supervisors have abandoned their job duties.
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China Reply #13 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 4:03pm I have seen much worse footage and far longer lockdowns out of Melbourne under the reappointed dictator there.
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Reply #14 - Nov 28^th, 2022 at 4:16pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 4:03pm:

I have seen much worse footage and far longer lockdowns out of Melbourne under the reappointed dictator there.

Did anyone starve to death due to being in lockdown in Victoria?

Did the police weld doors shut in Victoria?

Was anyone disappeared for breaching the lockdown in Victoria?

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