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Reply #90 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:24am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 10:47am:

Now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, in a debate about models for achieving effective rule of law. China is already the world's largest renewables energy producer, and is rapidly moving to clean up pollution in the physical environment.

"Prosperous in all respects" includes "beautiful, healthy, green environment" as per the centenary goals (2049).
Of course lifting 1 billion people out of absolute poverty ASAP involved 2 centuries' worth of pollution in the West being concentrated into 3 decades of pollution in China, but China is now moving rapidly into the clean-up stage.

No it's not. The only stats available are published by the CCP and are unverifiable.

The CCP has not etradicated absolute poverty - not even close - poverty is rampant outside certain parts of Tier 1 cities. The quota system created by Mao is predicated on cha bu duo - i.e. as long as the relevant authorities report that quotas are met, no independent audits will be conducted to prove the quotas have actually been met.

Again your lack of comprehension of cha bu duo means that you have no idea that many 'windfarms' and 'solar farms' are built to look like what they're supposed to be - they are for show and do not function as such, being powered by electrcity produced by coal-burning power stattions to add to the impression that they are operational.

Have you ever met anyone who has lived in and travelled through China?

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Reply #91 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:11am:

athos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:10am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

That's a rather narrow take on it. We are seeing the struggle for freedom and democracy unfold right before our eyes, and you think it only matters if it affects exports. Do you think the media and their readers might have an actual human interest in what is going on?

The media are only interested in what gets people to buy "news" papers (i.e. read their ads) and watch the TV "news" (i.e. watch their ads).

As for the media having any human interest in anything you only have to look at how they're (not) reporting on Covid in Australia anymore - apart from trying to convince everyone the pandemic is over when it most definitely isn't. And mostly succeeding, at least from what I personally see and hear on a daily basis.

I highlighted the relevant part for you. Both the media and their customers are human beings. Not some small minded conspiracy. Why is it so hard for you to believe that people might have a genuine interest in the Chinese people's struggle against censorship?

It seems highly symptomatic when China's confirmed Anglo enemies are suddenly so concerned about the welfare of the Chinese people.
Or maybe they were inspired by MI6 (ASIO) and their two party cartel directives?
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Where are you getting your looney tunes conspiracy theories from athos?

What are the "conspiracy theories" that Athos said? Please be specific. Thank you.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #93 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:23pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:11am:

athos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:10am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

That's a rather narrow take on it. We are seeing the struggle for freedom and democracy unfold right before our eyes, and you think it only matters if it affects exports. Do you think the media and their readers might have an actual human interest in what is going on?

The media are only interested in what gets people to buy "news" papers (i.e. read their ads) and watch the TV "news" (i.e. watch their ads).

As for the media having any human interest in anything you only have to look at how they're (not) reporting on Covid in Australia anymore - apart from trying to convince everyone the pandemic is over when it most definitely isn't. And mostly succeeding, at least from what I personally see and hear on a daily basis.

I highlighted the relevant part for you. Both the media and their customers are human beings. Not some small minded conspiracy. Why is it so hard for you to believe that people might have a genuine interest in the Chinese people's struggle against censorship?

It seems highly symptomatic when China's confirmed Anglo enemies are suddenly so concerned about the welfare of the Chinese people.
Or maybe they were inspired by MI6 (ASIO) and their two party cartel directives?
Grin

Where are you getting your looney tunes conspiracy theories from athos?

Is this athos conspiracy theory?

Boris Johnson admits His Khazarian
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Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Wednesday, speaking in a synagogue, that his family roots "traced back to a Rabbi in Moscow," according to a Jewish newspaper in Britain.

Johnson was visiting a synagogue in his constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the media said.
The former prime minister also reaffirmed that he would "absolutely" run for the parliamentary seat in the next elections, the Jewish Times reported. He also promised to support the current government of Rishi Sunak, noting, however, that the Tories' decision to oust him was a "mistake."
On July 7, Johnson announced his intention to step down as UK Prime Minister due to accusations of violating COVID-19 regulations and sexual assault claims against Government Deputy Chief Whip Christopher Pincher, whom he had personally vetted.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #94 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:58am:

athos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

What are the "conspiracy theories" that Athos said? Please be specific. Thank you.

How's that explanation of cha bu duo, from a Chinese nationalist's perspective, going?

You must have written a book on it by now.

That doesn't answer my question.

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Reply #95 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm

athos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:58am:

athos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

What are the "conspiracy theories" that Athos said? Please be specific. Thank you.

How's that explanation of cha bu duo, from a Chinese nationalist's perspective, going?

You must have written a book on it by now.

That doesn't answer my question.

It would shine a spotlight on the fact that Chinese nationalists' greatest fear is the exposure of the CCP's deceitful incompetence in its governance of the Chinese people.

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Reply #96 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:59pm

athos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:11am:

athos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:10am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

That's a rather narrow take on it. We are seeing the struggle for freedom and democracy unfold right before our eyes, and you think it only matters if it affects exports. Do you think the media and their readers might have an actual human interest in what is going on?

The media are only interested in what gets people to buy "news" papers (i.e. read their ads) and watch the TV "news" (i.e. watch their ads).

As for the media having any human interest in anything you only have to look at how they're (not) reporting on Covid in Australia anymore - apart from trying to convince everyone the pandemic is over when it most definitely isn't. And mostly succeeding, at least from what I personally see and hear on a daily basis.

I highlighted the relevant part for you. Both the media and their customers are human beings. Not some small minded conspiracy. Why is it so hard for you to believe that people might have a genuine interest in the Chinese people's struggle against censorship?

It seems highly symptomatic when China's confirmed Anglo enemies are suddenly so concerned about the welfare of the Chinese people.
Or maybe they were inspired by MI6 (ASIO) and their two party cartel directives?
Grin

Where are you getting your looney tunes conspiracy theories from athos?

What are the "conspiracy theories" that Athos said? Please be specific. Thank you.

That our concern for the rights and freedoms of Chinese people is just some kind of facade for our real concern. Not sure what you think that is. It's your conspiracy theory.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #97 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 1:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 11:16am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 10:47am:

your assertion that China lacks rule of law is absurd.

Law is not dependent on blind leading the blind, adversarial parties who supposedly gain legitimacy via 'democratic' elections (despite the murder and mayhem surrounding these elections in many countries).

Rule of law requires that all citizens of the state submit to it, as all parties within a democracy do. The CCP and its officials do not submit to, and are not required to submit to, the rule of law.

The CCP composed the original Chinese constitution, to which all citizens must submit (which is why Xi has spent much time weeding out corruption, a problem faced by all governments). Naturally, the constitution can be changed by consensus, with input from all citizens since all citizens can enter government based on merit (hence 'consensus meritocracy').

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The CCP is riddled with adversarial parties that undermine each other whenever they can

oh dear, don't look in the mirror....you will see adversarial parties wasting time attacking one-another...reversing the other mob's policies, creating chaotic development and policy gridlock.

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and disappear or imprison those rivals whose power and influence weaken to the point that the dominant faction can successfully disappear/imprison them without serious consequences or reprisals.

I think you are describing corruption and greed, universals in any government.

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In China under the CCP, the law is applied to those whom the dominant faction wants to be removed. This is how Xi removed many of his rivals - by accusing them of corruption, (despite the fact that the Chinese practice of guanxi necessarily requires the capacity and willingness to act corruptly). No Xi-faction member in favour has been accused of corruption.

Is Xi corrupt?

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Rule of law also requires that the judicial system is independent of influence and control from the political process. In China, the CCP instructs the judge on the required outcome and the sentence.

Naughty of the CCP...like a governing party instructing judges to jail whistle-blowers....

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So, you see, you support a system devised by a people you have no comprehension of - a lonely old codger with a teenager's understanding of his pet subject.

Refuted above.

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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #98 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 1:30pm

athos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 12:23pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 8:11am:

athos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2022 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2022 at 6:10am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2022 at 9:35pm:

That's a rather narrow take on it. We are seeing the struggle for freedom and democracy unfold right before our eyes, and you think it only matters if it affects exports. Do you think the media and their readers might have an actual human interest in what is going on?

The media are only interested in what gets people to buy "news" papers (i.e. read their ads) and watch the TV "news" (i.e. watch their ads).

As for the media having any human interest in anything you only have to look at how they're (not) reporting on Covid in Australia anymore - apart from trying to convince everyone the pandemic is over when it most definitely isn't. And mostly succeeding, at least from what I personally see and hear on a daily basis.

I highlighted the relevant part for you. Both the media and their customers are human beings. Not some small minded conspiracy. Why is it so hard for you to believe that people might have a genuine interest in the Chinese people's struggle against censorship?

It seems highly symptomatic when China's confirmed Anglo enemies are suddenly so concerned about the welfare of the Chinese people.
Or maybe they were inspired by MI6 (ASIO) and their two party cartel directives?
Grin

Where are you getting your looney tunes conspiracy theories from athos?

Is this athos conspiracy theory?

Boris Johnson admits His Khazarian
Family Roots Trace Back to Moscow Rabbi

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Wednesday, speaking in a synagogue, that his family roots "traced back to a Rabbi in Moscow," according to a Jewish newspaper in Britain.

Johnson was visiting a synagogue in his constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the media said.
The former prime minister also reaffirmed that he would "absolutely" run for the parliamentary seat in the next elections, the Jewish Times reported. He also promised to support the current government of Rishi Sunak, noting, however, that the Tories' decision to oust him was a "mistake."
On July 7, Johnson announced his intention to step down as UK Prime Minister due to accusations of violating COVID-19 regulations and sexual assault claims against Government Deputy Chief Whip Christopher Pincher, whom he had personally vetted.

https://sputniknews.com/20221130/boris-johnson-says-his-family-roots-trace-back-...

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Boris Johnson compares himself to a jar of honey found on a supermarket shelf - 'the product of many countries'. He thinks he is part Jewish, part French, part English, part American, part pterodactyl and, unpredictably, part Turkish.
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Re: China- Uprisings Erupting Against CCP Across China
Reply #99 - Dec 1^st, 2022 at 1:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2022 at 1:18pm: