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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #60 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #61 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:58am

Jasin wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:55am:

With all this sexual abuse, the aboriginal populations must be exploding and accelerating.
All doing their bit to outbreed the whitey invaders and their cannibalism/savagery from the angle of 'Power'.

Disease

the death rate is higher than the birth rate because of lifestyle

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #62 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:04am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

If you have ever seen a child raped to death by a gang of savages - you do not forget it

I have seen it many times while you sip lattes.

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.

Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

So none of what you've listed is linked to sexual abuse, all you've done is hint at it "might be" under reported by a number you've made up and hope we make the mental jump, as you have, that these children are in caes because of sexual abuse.

Evidence friend, do you even know what it is?

Or should we just send in the army again?

It is impossible to take you seriously, especially after you claim to watch them rape children and don't do anything to stop it...

On a humanitarian mission like last time?

If only that's what Boris, and you, were talking about.

Sadly, you were both talking about shooting and killing all the indigenous community members in the area.

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #63 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause.

Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives.

Remember, they ARE people. Can't believe I have to remind you of that...

But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it.

It doesn't.

You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs.

Facts over feelings friend.

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #64 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:11am

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:55am:

With all this sexual abuse, the aboriginal populations must be exploding and accelerating.
All doing their bit to outbreed the whitey invaders and their cannibalism/savagery from the angle of 'Power'.

Disease

the death rate is higher than the birth rate because of lifestyle

Maybe we should NUKE EM Boris?
Just to be sure.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #65 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:13am

Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving....

You're the one trying to claim that sending in the army on a humanitarian mission was calling for using armed force against them. All there was, was medical personnel and such to treat those in NEED... you there yet??

As for the Alice - maybe those forty extra cops will quieten 'em down .... it being the only thing they understand... they use force and violence and terror on others..... now they run the chance of ending up in the slammer for those things....

So................. who is responsible for that???

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #66 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:16am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN RURAL AND REMOTE
AUSTRALIAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES –
A preliminary investigation.
Compiled by Lyla Coorey
February 2001
Caution: There is material in this report that may be offensive for cultural reasons,
and because there is reference to sexual matters, to some Aboriginal and Torres
Strait Islander people. No harm or offence is intended to these people.
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‘The silence of the victims has brought so much fear and pain into their lives. The
silence of families has caused a breakdown in our cultural and moral values, and the
silence of the abuser has meant little hope of them getting the sort of help they need.’
- Maryanne Sam (1992) ‘Through Black Eyes: A Handbook of Family Violence in
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Communities.’

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committee...

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

You'll never persuade the zealots here by posting factual documents, even from their own groups. Every time a woman or child is reported abused or a bloke killed in a fight or ambush, that's just a white conspiracy to make all Abos look bad... that's their mantra.

They can either be Australians or not - their choice..... 100% one way or the other.

Did either of you read the report?

Like, read past the headline and the findings to their propositions to help address the issue?

I'll give you a chance to go back and read it, because I've just finished it, al 120 pages.

It's heartbreaking the findings and what's worse is that this report, tabled in 2001, goes back to information cites in the early 90's, late 80's and earlier, yet these issues still exist 30 years later.

The children highlighted in this report have likely grown up and continued the cycle of abuse on to the next generations.

But, I'll give you a chance to read the report, how long do you think you'll need, 2 maybe 3 weeks?

Or should I not beat around the bush and suggest which sections for my point you should read?

Or do you want me to be even more succinct and just flat-out tell you how stupid you are?

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #67 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:19am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause.

Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives.

Remember, they ARE people. Can't believe I have to remind you of that...

But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it.

It doesn't.

You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs.

Facts over feelings friend.

More twists than a rattlesnake on crystal meth......

Just keep making up stories and jumping to conclusions ... e.g. discussion of the HUGE rate of abuse of children is NOT the same as saying they ALL do it... that's your first lie.

How many do you actually know? I have statements from three women bashed by the same 'man' - all stories are startlingly similar and they are miles apart from one another... never met ... and one of them said to me that her family were not like that and until this ahole came along she did not know violence.

Get your thinking right, kid/champ/bucko/girlie/schweetheart .... when people offer you links and figures you do not try to get out from under by attacking them by saying they are saying the whole group does it... that's just bullsh

i

t .... and your way of wimping out of (gasps) debate....

Get back to school - a real school for a change...

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #68 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:21am

I've posted countless sources - many of them direct from Aboriginal sources - that show the picture.

I'm not going to train every individual who comes along with a bee in his bonnet screeching and crying about 'racism' as the puerile excuse to not actually discuss the real issues ..... go ask the victims ........

Oooh - looks like The Black Syph will get them all first anyway.... just passing it around ...

"The Aboriginal population accounted for 66 per cent of all chlamydia cases and 92 per cent of syphilis cases within the six-month period."

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #70 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:26am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:13am:

Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving....

Your problem is you've said so much racist nonesense about Indigenous Australians that you can't keep track,

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:

Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ......

https://donglutsdinosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Krstolich-postcard-700x...

You're not the victim, you're just being held to account for the things you've said and advocated for.

If you don't like it, stop being such a racist c

unt

.

They're your words, after all, linked to, so everyone can see the full context.

There are no excuses here, you said what you said, you meant what you said and it totally undermines all the points you're trying to make about the voice and all the claims about Indigenous Australians.

You're scum mate. You can pretend to be riding an enlightened high horse all your like, but you motivations are there for all to see.

Perhaps the only benefit of this forum condoning all the racism that people like you and Boris post as if it's nothing.

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #71 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:38am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause.

Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives.

Remember, they ARE people. Can't believe I have to remind you of that...

But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it.

It doesn't.

You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs.

Facts over feelings friend.

More twists than a rattlesnake on crystal meth......

Just keep making up stories and jumping to conclusions ... e.g. discussion of the HUGE rate of abuse of children is NOT the same as saying they ALL do it... that's your first lie.

Is it though?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Quote:

How many do you actually know? I have statements from three women bashed by the same 'man' - all stories are startlingly similar and they are miles apart from one another... never met ... and one of them said to me that her family were not like that and until this ahole came along she did not know violence.

Get your thinking right, kid/champ/bucko/girlie/schweetheart .... when people offer you links and figures you do not try to get out from under by attacking them by saying they are saying the whole group does it... that's just bullsh

i

t .... and your way of wimping out of (gasps) debate....

Get back to school - a real school for a change...

Other than Boris who is making the claim that these stats are indicative of ALL indigenous people, I'm not excusing or even doubting these reports.

We agree that the situation is terrible and something needs to be done.

The difference is what can be done to help, or the notion of even helping at all.

You seem to want to lock them in a zoo as if they're cavemen for rich people to go and view, or even hunt as you suggested, whereas I would strive to find a way to actually help them.

Address the issues identified in the various reports, even the one you didn't read.

The biggest issue is most of the ways we've tried to help have been from the views of people outside of their communities, trying to force change without working from within. Part of that is greater awareness of their cultures and of these issues which the voice would help with.

But giving them a voice, input, and a say in politics that concerns them, well that's apparently a bridge too far for you.

You seem more comfortable with the notion of locking them up, shooting them, or genocide unless there were all just sarcastic joke comments too?

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Re: Among cannibals - Lumholtz, Carl
Reply #73 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:41am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause.

Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives.

Remember, they ARE people. Can't believe I have to remind you of that...

But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it.

It doesn't.

You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs.

Facts over feelings friend.

It still happens now - worse than ever

But you wouldn't know

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