freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 12:36pm:


Why did Mao "withdraw" -   was it voluntary?

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Well , India proves democracy doesn't improve living standards fast enough,  in a mass subsistence poverty nation.

Mao is considered one of the most influential figures of the 20th century. Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian. He has been also credited with transforming China from a semi-colony to a leading world power by advancing literacy, women's rights, basic healthcare, primary education, and improving life expectancy. Mao is revered as a national hero who liberated the country from foreign occupation and exploitation in China. He became an ideological figurehead and a prominent influence over the international communist movement, being endowed with remembrance, admiration and a cult of personality both during and after his life.

See....government is complex....

And now China is proving a one-party meritocracy can improve living standards for all, perhaps even more effectively than first world democracies. 

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Wrong on both counts, I admit Mao's past mistakes,  and urge the CCP to advance common prosperity asap, while the West is creating sickening inequality; and as for lies, your wholly self-interested "individual freedom" ideology is the ultimate lie responsible for the endless wars and entrenched poverty in our world. 

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I'm calling it a meritocracy NOW (with Xi as the figurehead).....do try to keep up.

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He probably lost a little face over the 50 million people he starved to death by trying to feed them all equally. Obviously it was voluntary, or they would not have let him take the reiogns again and start another round of killings.

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They can also kill nearly 100 million of their own citizens and reward the leader responsible. I still don't get why you call that a meritocracy. They didn't need to do that in order to improve living standards for all, as every other country on earth proves. All a government has to do is stand back and let the people do it themselves. Western companies will pour billions into any poverty stricken nation to take advantage of cheap labour. This can and does lift starving people out of poverty overnight - as soon as the government allows it to happen.

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But you still call it a meritocracy. Was there any merit in Mao killing 100 million Chinese people? You seem to think there was merit in killing the first 20 million prior to the CCP overthrowing the Chinese government, as well as the CCP standing back and letting the Japanese army rape and pillage their way across China.

How is this any different from a Nazi calling the holocaust an "administrative error," like it only happened because Hitler ticked the wrong box on the genocide form.

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When did the CCP suddenly become a meritocracy?

Do you see merit in the CCP's handling of covid?

If Mao was never punished, what makes you think the culture within the CCP has changed? The current leaders grew up learning from Mao's example and seeing him rewarded for being the biggest killer in human history.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 9:27am:


Regardless of whether he "probably" lost a little face, he wasn't trying to "feed everyone equally",  he was trying to ensure food security for all, in a nation with 90%  absolute poverty - something you have diffliculty understanding......see the huge demands on food chairities in 'wealthy' Oz today despite the excess of food supplies.

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Your error in logic: they DID kill nearly 100 million... while trying to lift a billion people out of abolute poverty -

And a generation later the results are in, after thechange in course:  Chinese life expectency is now higher than the US,  never been achieved  in a mere generation, in history.

That's the advantage of a oneparty meritocracy over fraudulent adversarial two party democracy. 

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The most able, chosen by consensus at the local level, move up through the ranks to the national level, all with the common goal of progress guided by  'common prosperity'.   

Compared with the most ideological who are selected for adversarial parties...by definition, their brains are already crippled by "freedom values" ideology, like you, rather than common prosperity (not the same as 'equality of outcome', the RW lie).   

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Your error: people don't like suffering cost of living and  and homelessness crises, which is why the democracies are imploding as hyperpartisanship and voter despair result in changing governments to no avail.  The leaders are hopeless  (if not fraudulent); like Modi and Macron, they think they can earn more support at the next election, but they always lose support - because the 2 party system is a fraud.  

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Your error: the sick IMF-led system (a US stooge) allows profit seeking companies to profit from slave labour - until China was about to overtake the US.....

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There is merit in creating common prosperity, something even the US - "the beacon on the hill" can't do.

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The holocaust was a policy designed to 'rid' (in Nazi eyes)  Europe of Jews, Marxism is a philosophy of well-being for all. 

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From the start of the Marxist revolution, but Marxist  theories weren't able to  guide actual policies required to lift a huge subsistence pre-indutrial society out of absolute poverty, the most effective polocies has to be learned by pragmatism.     

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Again, trying to determine the best course of action in a pandemic, when you have over a billion lives at stake, is not straight forward; 1 million died in the US with a quarter of China's population to consider, and a first world health system cf China's developing health care status. 

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The Marxist philosophy ("culture") hasn't changed, while the leaders' policies have changed. 

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Your error (apart from sheer blind, 'freedom- values' ideological delusions):

The CCP DID learn from Mao's mistakes, and  rapidly changed course, thereby lifting more people out of absolute poverty than any nation in history.

That the CCP remembers MAO as the founder of the Marxist revolution isn't a "reward",  its a commemoration of his role a founder of the increasingly successful revolution. 

Do try to keep up.

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:


I accept your concession.

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:


Another dumb question from an ideologically-crippled brain.

No, I said the CCP leadership has achieved the fastest rate of poverty reduction of any country in history, since 1980. 

Do try tp keep up.

freediver wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 6:46pm:


Note: And thereafter reducing poverty at the fastest rate in history - very nice indeed.

So...the answer is yes, to both ideologically blind questions ....said poverty reduction being  a commendable move by the CCP,  don't you think? 

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 4:55pm:


And increased the wealth of their  entire populations at the fastest rate in history thereafter? None.

Meanwhile our dysfunctional  blind leading the blind adversarial multi-party democracies are stuck with  entrenched poverty, increasing inequality, and disillusionment with government.

eg, Ramposa repeating the lie we hear from the leaders of all parties when they win an election: we will govern for everyone.... yet the all-black ANC has had power for 30 years with 30% unemployment and extreme inequality: the end of apartheid changed nothing except a name change.

And the current forced alliance of the ANC  with a white party will change nothing, the call for more jobs will go unanswered owing to the dysfunctioal political/economic  system.   

Then there's "the beacon on the hill" with its excruciating, mind-numbing hyperpartisan insanity.

And both parties in Oz having destroyed public housing in Oz over the last 4 decades,  because both parties wanted to reduce taxes as per the insane privatization ideology, resulting in the current housing crises which of course you refuse to even acknowledge exists. 

And the UK: Sunak trying to scare people by saying Starmer will raise taxes, while Starmer is saying is saying he will fix the NHS without raising taxes; and yesterday Sunak (facing a conservative wipe-out)  claimed that if Starmer is elected then "Labour might be in office forever"...typical mindblowing lies and nonsense adopted by  all politicians competing in adversarial democratic politics;  Trudeau is on the nose in Canada.....the list of dysfunctional democracies is endless.

And you, being a blind comfortable conservative, said "what's to see here", in the '100 millionaires pay no tax' thread.

Deplorable, go back to sleep, your crippled brain has nothing of value to offer to a world in turmoil, while the CCP is proceeding apace with the rejuvination of the Chinese nation at a pace you can only envy.