freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:20pm:


Well, at least you disposed of Sub's silly theory; but as to "incompetence" in dealing with a vast population in a developing country faced with a potentially catastrophic pandemic, you are not equipped to judge "competence".

OTOH, this from a Western commentator today (on China’s Chang’e-6 safe return to Earth with first-ever lunar far side samples, completed today):

“I do think a successful conclusion to this very complex mission [Chang’e-6] will show that Chang’e-5 was not just a fluke, and that Chinese space engineers really have mastered the challenges of carrying out these very difficult missions far from Earth, it's a real step forward in the maturity of the Chinese space effort,” Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in the US, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

There's competence for you.



   

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:24pm:


Because you post such incredibly stupid propaganda for the CCP. Taking a century and killing 100 million of your own citizens along the way is not fast learning.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:26pm:


It was money from all those "freedom values" countries that poured into China to lift living standards. All the CCP learned after 100 years and 100 million deaths was to get out of the way and let it happen.

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It was the command economy that starved 50 million people to death by trying to feed them all equally. It was the liberalising of the economy that lead to the influx of foreign investment and surge in productivity.

Do you think it is reasonable for a government to need to kill nearly 100 million of their own people over about a century in order to "learn" how to run the country? When they are surrounded by other countries showing them how to do it the easy way? How does that make China a meritocracy?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:59pm:


Well deserved hatred, though not recognized by "freedom or death " ideologues like you who reject an effective international rules based system, and so are  always planning for the next war, even demanding the population breed the next crop of cannon fodder.

Bob Carr has nailed it:

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Whatever you think about Assange, the fact is he was imprisoned for one reason: he exposed a bloody war crime committed by US troops against unarmed Iraqi civilians.

All in the name  of defending ideology-based  "foundational freedoms", defended by the "America First" US, of course. 

No thanks.

thegreatdivide,

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I would say that the reason why China stopped counting the number of deaths, let alone infections, from covid related diseases was because it would have been overwhelming to conduct a count. China was not strict on lockdowns. The Chinese did do lockdowns. But, they were not going to stop people from leaving the country.

Australia stopped international travel by March 2020. Melbourne had strict lockdowns. Australia ended up having a low rate of infections up until international travel was reinstated. Then we ended up having quite high rates of infection right around the country.

The United States had a poor record with covid, because some of their citizens had this idea of undeniable rights that allowed them to mingle during their lockdowns. Ergo, the reason for the quick spread of infections. The death toll in the United States (latest figures) are about 1,200,000+ people having died of the coronavirus related illness. Australia lost 24,000+ people to coronavirus. We have a better health care system in Australian than America or China. The Americans go on about their rights. The Chinese have few rights. And although we have rights, we earn to keep these rights by acting responsibly.

Regarding tgd's gullibility of China's lockdowns --
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The way you went on about China having strict lockdowns as a reason for their infection control, after I went on about China not counting their dead after "a while" after the coronavirus outbreak began. If you are gullible enough to think China arrested their coronavirus infections, you really need to step away and think things through. Otherwise, people will see you as "the spokesperson for the CCP".

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China is also about 75 years old as one country. China had been colonising other countries by sending their people and creating "Chinatowns" in white majority countries. Other than Japan, there are very few non-white majority countries that allow this to happen. If the Chinese wanted to take over Taiwan, they would. But the undercurrent of democratic movement is starting to take on China. The government won't have much support to take over Taiwan soon.

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That is irrelevant to what I said with my belief about China breaking up into several countries inside the next 10 years. It happened with the Soviet Union. It will happen with China. Democratic change will ensure the dissolution of China.

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The United States are having fewer and fewer new recruits for their military every year. The Americans had to pull out of Afghanistan because of the Ukraine issue about was to take effect. The USA has a lot of smart people over there that invest in places all over the world. I have to agree with you about most wars in the world are provoked by the USA.

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So? If China stops buying our exports, we are in for a hell of a time finding replacement trading partners. And if we piss off the Chinese with inquisitions and other insults, we are going to get the arse for trading with China. Scott Morrison has shown us how hypersensitive the Chinese government can be.

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They don't. They just have a problem with the United States (which is more "sub-Western" than "Western") due to the USA bombing their countries and killing innocent civilians. "Western" countries are the envy for many of those 4 to 5 billion people who earn no more than a third of what the average Americans earn. Central Americans like to move to places like the USA to get away from their failed states. But Asians, Middle Eastern, Arab and African people prefer to move to Europe.

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No. I was suggesting that China remain China without the acquisition of Taiwan. Hong Kong is an autonomous state -- and they even have Olympians representing HK as a nation. Hong Kong has its problems of refugees moving to HK from mainland China. The refugees are trying to escape the suppressive China.

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Aha. We have a treasonable person called "thegreatdivide" here at OzPolitic. I get the feeling your stomach growls when a dog barks.

The United States has its hands full with other matters. A war with China would be disastrous.

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:14pm:


Can't you read?

"I already exposed your error some posts back, ( a reflection of) your blind,  despicable fraudulent ideology: trying to ensure  sufficient food for all is NOT "trying to feed everyone equally" - another version of the conservative "equality of outcome" lie.   


So you need further explanation (assuming you CAN read)?

Let it sink in this time. The goal of poverty eradication is NOT the same as  the Right's strawman aka  "equality of outcome".

In an absolute-poverty/subsistence agriculture nation with frequent shortages of food, the first requirement is to increase the food supply, not to "feed everyone equally", but to ensure the nation increases its productivity and produces enough food.

The CCP, as professed followers of Marxism, strove to lift ALL the people out of poverty, not just some as was the norm in capitalist states; but the CCP had no guidelines  how to achive a socialist revolution in  China (Marx was concerned with the economies of industrial nations).

You of course are a deluded" freedom" ideolgue who thinks  self-interested free individuals will magically  create common prosperity in free markets with minimal government ownership of the nation's resources.

But the chickens are coming home to roost: Macron is warning of civil war in France, and in the US:

(Daily Mail)

Texas secessionist names 5 states he's working with to bust up America

Texas' top secessionist has revealed he's working with pro-independence groups in five US states to break up the union.

Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM), says he's hatching plans with self-rule activists in California, New Hampshire, Alaska, Florida, and Louisiana.

Ah -- the joys of "freedom" and democratic elections


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Most of it: it was the hard work of the Chinese people governed by a single authority which increased the standard of living, after China became the world's factory. 

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A mostly blind "freedom" ideologues'  narrative:

re "the easy way":

(google)

Since 1990, income inequality has increased in most developed countries and in some middle-income countries, including China and India. While inequality has gone up in the majority of countries over the past three decades, it has fallen in a few.

But in China, absolute poverty has been eradicated, whereas in Oz, homlessness is increasing, home ownership is falling, and rents are increasingly unaffordable.. oh, and demand on food charities has never been higher.   

The "easy way", indeed......