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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #15 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:21am

Not everyone supports the idea of symbolic recognition. And, in any case, the agenda of the activists is not Constitutional recognition, but power. They state as much quite openly. They never talk about ‘truth telling’ and ‘treaty’, the second and third tranches of the Uluru Statement.

What ‘truths’ do we still need to know other than that Aborigines were dispossessed of their sole occupancy of this continent, that they suffered trauma and mistreatment as a result and that there are still vestiges of disadvantage? These truths are already very well known and constantly aired. Do they accept the truth of claims that as many as 50,000 Aboriginal children were ‘stolen’ from loving families in order to eradicate the Aboriginal race? Do they accept the ‘truth’ that 100,000 Aboriginal warriors were killed in ‘colonial wars’?

The ‘truth’ the activists want you to know is that they ‘never ceded sovereignty’ and that Australia was founded illegitimately. Once we accept that, we then move on to ‘treaty’. The Voice is the first step in this process, but they never acknowledges this inconvenient truth.

You’re on a hiding to nothing on this one. Think again and give it miss.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3978 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #16 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 136749 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #17 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 12:28pm Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am: Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia. Has Failed Forty Five moved to Bourke?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41108	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #18 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:10pm Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am: Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia. Evidence, Matty, evidence. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #19 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 6:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

You are batshit crazy

dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled.

Stone Age Savages

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:42am:

Boris wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of
the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent.
They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but
the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton
Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives.
In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson
river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave
birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a
black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not
as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the
blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this
instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse
with white people, and still the child was killed. It was
permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the
men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was
choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and
distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily.
Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of
this event. It is not known whether the mother in this
instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming.

It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!?

The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans.

You've doing it in the very post I quoted...

People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation.

If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of s

hit

, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place.

Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric.

You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone.

You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with?

Surely you're having a lend? You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

So people who rape, murder and eat children are OK by you?
In the 60's 70's and 80's they still ate children - and possibly still do.

Evidence, Matty, evidence. Other than your Racist mumblings. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74319 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #20 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 8:33pm Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am: The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong You're free to farrk off back to mother Russia whenever you like.
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #21 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:04pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong

You're free to farrk off back to mother Russia whenever you like.

Nah - he left that dump because he couldn't accept that the Voice accorded to party members was vastly more than that of the people... but remember that way back to Lenin, the view was that 'the people' referred to and in need of boosting in life etc, were HIS class - the middle class bordering on upper ... and the ordinary folk were just cattle in the fields to be disposed and disposed of at the whim of the projected state.

Sounds to me that he knows what he's talking about.... did you have an Abo to dinner recently?

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #22 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:20am

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

You are batshit crazy

dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled.

Stone Age Savages

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:42am:

Boris wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of
the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent.
They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but
the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton
Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives.
In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson
river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave
birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a
black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not
as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the
blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this
instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse
with white people, and still the child was killed. It was
permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the
men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was
choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and
distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily.
Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of
this event. It is not known whether the mother in this
instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming.

It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!?

The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans.

You've doing it in the very post I quoted...

People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation.

If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of s

hit

, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place.

Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric.

You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone.

You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with?

Surely you're having a lend? You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all.

Sadly, plenty of people on here have called for the army to head in and shoot all the Indigenous Australians.

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The "voice" is the bullshit.

They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank.

Are you a woke wanker?

I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people.

See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening.

Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues?

And if another of you claim sending the army in to shoot them all again is the answer... Just cut that s

hit

out...

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #23 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:10pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused.
This is the real epidemic in Australia.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Evidence, Matty, evidence. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.
More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.
One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.
In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.
Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #24 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:20am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

You are batshit crazy

dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled.

Stone Age Savages

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:42am:

Boris wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of
the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent.
They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but
the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton
Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives.
In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson
river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave
birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a
black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not
as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the
blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this
instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse
with white people, and still the child was killed. It was
permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the
men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was
choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and
distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily.
Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of
this event. It is not known whether the mother in this
instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming.

It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!?

The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans.

You've doing it in the very post I quoted...

People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation.

If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of s

hit

, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place.

Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric.

You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone.

You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with?

Surely you're having a lend? You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all.

Sadly, plenty of people on here have called for the army to head in and shoot all the Indigenous Australians.

Quote:

The "voice" is the bullshit.

They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank.

Are you a woke wanker?

I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people.

See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening.

Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues?

And if another of you claim sending the army in to shoot them all again is the answer... Just cut that s

hit

out...

WOW a whole lot of stupid to unpack here.

Where to begin?

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I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people.

What genocide? they get helped and given stuff for free and get every opportunity

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See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening.

Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues?

It is all true and you have no "awareness" and they are pandered and billions get spent on then and the voice means 3 things
1 the constitutional change
2 truth telling
3 treaty

And this change to the constitution will be a nightmare if it happens and the other 2 things will make Australia unlivable

You are a total fool - and ignorant of reality

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #25 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children. Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it?

They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level.

Move on from this absurd idea.

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #26 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am:

What genocide?

You calling for the army to shoot them all? Since that seems to be your solution to their problems, I would rather support the Voice than that.

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It is all true and you have no "awareness" and they are pandered and billions get spent on then and the voice means 3 things
1 the constitutional change
2 truth telling
3 treaty

And this change to the constitution will be a nightmare if it happens and the other 2 things will make Australia unlivable

You are a total fool - and ignorant of reality

You see them all as bad as their worst elements.

Talk about ignorant of reality...

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #27 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:53am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am:

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children. Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it?

They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level.

Move on from this absurd idea.

Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either...

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #28 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:56am

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:53am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am:

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children. Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it?

They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level.

Move on from this absurd idea.

Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either...

Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ...

Go back to school. Grin

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #29 - Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:00am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:56am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:53am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am:

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children. Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it?

They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level.

Move on from this absurd idea.

Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either...

Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ...

Go back to school. Grin

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:34am:

Boris wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:31am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:25am:

Boris wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 11:24am:

The Alice is out of all control

Do you care about there people in terror there?

Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments?

Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are.

You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"...

Go live there

Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all?

Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

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