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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #210 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 5:25pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:43am:

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You really are a nong, Matty. Where is your evidence that the "Left loves this," this being Indigenous mistreatment? Non-existent of course, like all your other evidence. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

If you want evidence look at yourself

You are a rabid Leftie

Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

That you have never seen.

The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

And you are happy about it. You think these are wonderful people.

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Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind. Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Practice what you preach you sad man.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4085 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #212 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 6:37am "It has to be feared" Them's fightin words
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #213 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 8:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 5:25pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:43am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

You really are a nong, Matty. Where is your evidence that the "Left loves this," this being Indigenous mistreatment? Non-existent of course, like all your other evidence. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

If you want evidence look at yourself

You are a rabid Leftie

Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

That you have never seen.

The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

And you are happy about it. You think these are wonderful people.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind. Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are a hopeless halfwit, Bbwian

Non-disclosure of violence in Australian Indigenous communities
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi405

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4085 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #215 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:03am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 6:35am: https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/pearson_goes_full_toddler_over_price_s_voice... Our Tax Dollars at work - and if the Voice gets through - it will be 1,000 times worse
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #216 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:43am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 6:35am:

https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/pearson_goes_full_toddler_over_price_s_voice...

Very telling ...... Pearson is a self righteous hypocrite.

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So let’s have a look at who Noel Pearson is and his multi-million dollar taxpayer funded “Cape York Institute”.

He accuses Senator Price of being the “black hand pulling the trigger” of a gun loaded by white think tanks.

But the Cape York Institute, the think tank he founded, is almost entirely funded by the Australian Government.

That’s right: the Cape York Institute’s financial statements show that of the $19 million revenue received in 2020/21, $14 million was through grants.

So Pearson is attacking someone (without evidence) for doing the bidding of organisations run by white people while his own organisation takes millions from the Australian Government.

Which is run by this guy.

And check out the board of Noel’s Cape York Partnership. Former NAB chairman and Treasury secretary Ken Henry? QUT Chancellor Ann Sherry? Managing Partner of big city law firm Gilbert + Tobin Danny Gilbert?

Which black hand is firing whose bullets, Noel?

Here’s a few other nuggets from the Noel Pearson Cape York Institute’s 2020/21 financial statements:

> $3100 a day on travel! A total of $1.1 million for the year

> $8.5 million in “employment expenses”

> $700k in motor vehicles

> $570k in consultancy fees

In reality Pearson is just trying to distract from the fact that the Voice has no purpose, no detail and enshrines divisive racist principles into the Australian constitution.

It’s a woke bureaucratic talkfest made for taxpayer-funded activists in their ivory towers who want to get their noses into the taxpayer money trough.

There are real problems facing Indigenous Australians.

But Labor, woke-left media and the non-profit grants industry is pushing for a virtue-signalling body that does nothing for damaged communities just so they can feel better about themselves.

No wonder they can’t handle Senator Price speaking out.

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #217 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 11:52am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03am:

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That woman doing all the animated speaking (ABC's abo. affairs editor Bridget Brennan): she's not a black aborigine, and she is certainly not a member of the group suffering under the egregious statistics of the gap.

And of course she probably doesn't have a clue how to close the gap, so she wants "a voice with teeth" - as if that will close gap.

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Reply #218 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 12:30pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:43am:

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1670536754/214#214 date=1671741349]https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/pearson_goes_full_toddler_over_price_s_voice...

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So let’s have a look at who Noel Pearson is and his multi-million dollar taxpayer funded “Cape York Institute”.

He accuses Senator Price of being the “black hand pulling the trigger” of a gun loaded by white think tanks.

Pearson is correct: Price is an IPA/CIS ideologue goon.

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But the Cape York Institute, the think tank he founded, is almost entirely funded by the Australian Government.

Of course, ANY intervention to close the gap for black aborigines will require funding by the Oz government.

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That’s right: the Cape York Institute’s financial statements show that of the $19 million revenue received in 2020/21, $14 million was through grants.

Yes. Moving on:

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So Pearson is attacking someone (without evidence) for doing the bidding of organisations run by white people while his own organisation takes millions from the Australian Government.

Which is run by this guy.

Price regularly appears on media alongside IPA goons who promote an obsolete free trade, anti-government intervention ideology - that's the evidence.

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And check out the board of Noel’s Cape York Partnership. Former NAB chairman and Treasury secretary Ken Henry? QUT Chancellor Ann Sherry? Managing Partner of big city law firm Gilbert + Tobin Danny Gilbert?

Respected citizens, all of them, not beholden by the obsolete IPA "small government" ideology, though unfortunately still indoctrinated by the current orthodoxy re treasury and central bank monetary operations.

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Here’s a few other nuggets from the Noel Pearson Cape York Institute’s 2020/21 financial statements:

> $3100 a day on travel! A total of $1.1 million for the year

> $8.5 million in “employment expenses”

> $700k in motor vehicles

> $570k in consultancy fees

In reality Pearson is just trying to distract from the fact that the Voice has no purpose, no detail and enshrines divisive racist principles into the Australian constitution.

It’s a woke bureaucratic talkfest made for taxpayer-funded activists in their ivory towers who want to get their noses into the taxpayer money trough

Like I said, he and they are not IPA "small government goons, but they are still blinded by the current treasury/ central bank orthodoxy which results in endless disputes over the "taxpayer money trough", as shown above.

Note: Pearson himself is a convert to the Job Guarantee concept, but he has to deal with present realities of the current dysfunctional economic orthodoxy which force the least competitive (black and white) onto the unemployment scrap heap.

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There are real problems facing Indigenous Australians

No kidding.....

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But Labor, woke-left media and the non-profit grants industry is pushing for a virtue-signalling body that does nothing for damaged communities just so they can feel better about themselves.

Wrong ascription of motivation of course; they are promoting the voice because they think it will assist the damaged communities in closing the gap.

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No wonder they can’t handle Senator Price speaking out.

Pearson has her sized up, she's an IPA goon.

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #220 - Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 4:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 9:43am:

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1670536754/214#214 date=1671741349]https://www.advanceaustralia.org.au/pearson_goes_full_toddler_over_price_s_voice...

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So let’s have a look at who Noel Pearson is and his multi-million dollar taxpayer funded “Cape York Institute”.

He accuses Senator Price of being the “black hand pulling the trigger” of a gun loaded by white think tanks.

Pearson is correct: Price is an IPA/CIS ideologue goon.

Quote:

But the Cape York Institute, the think tank he founded, is almost entirely funded by the Australian Government.

Of course, ANY intervention to close the gap for black aborigines will require funding by the Oz government.

Quote:

That’s right: the Cape York Institute’s financial statements show that of the $19 million revenue received in 2020/21, $14 million was through grants.

Yes. Moving on:

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So Pearson is attacking someone (without evidence) for doing the bidding of organisations run by white people while his own organisation takes millions from the Australian Government.

Which is run by this guy.

Price regularly appears on media alongside IPA goons who promote an obsolete free trade, anti-government intervention ideology - that's the evidence.

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And check out the board of Noel’s Cape York Partnership. Former NAB chairman and Treasury secretary Ken Henry? QUT Chancellor Ann Sherry? Managing Partner of big city law firm Gilbert + Tobin Danny Gilbert?

Respected citizens, all of them, not beholden by the obsolete IPA "small government" ideology, though unfortunately still indoctrinated by the current orthodoxy re treasury and central bank monetary operations.

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Here’s a few other nuggets from the Noel Pearson Cape York Institute’s 2020/21 financial statements:

> $3100 a day on travel! A total of $1.1 million for the year

> $8.5 million in “employment expenses”

> $700k in motor vehicles

> $570k in consultancy fees

In reality Pearson is just trying to distract from the fact that the Voice has no purpose, no detail and enshrines divisive racist principles into the Australian constitution.

It’s a woke bureaucratic talkfest made for taxpayer-funded activists in their ivory towers who want to get their noses into the taxpayer money trough

Like I said, he and they are not IPA "small government goons, but they are still blinded by the current treasury/ central bank orthodoxy which results in endless disputes over the "taxpayer money trough", as shown above.

Note: Pearson himself is a convert to the Job Guarantee concept, but he has to deal with present realities of the current dysfunctional economic orthodoxy which force the least competitive (black and white) onto the unemployment scrap heap.

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There are real problems facing Indigenous Australians

No kidding.....

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But Labor, woke-left media and the non-profit grants industry is pushing for a virtue-signalling body that does nothing for damaged communities just so they can feel better about themselves.

Wrong ascription of motivation of course; they are promoting the voice because they think it will assist the damaged communities in closing the gap.

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No wonder they can’t handle Senator Price speaking out.

Pearson has her sized up, she's an IPA goon.

You are parroting crap again, parrot.

"The IPA supports the free market of ideas, the free flow of capital, a limited and efficient government, evidence-based public policy, the rule of law, and representative democracy. Throughout human history, these ideas have proven themselves to be the most dynamic, liberating and exciting. Our researchers apply these ideas to the public policy questions which matter today."

The free and open contest of ideas is an essential aspect of human dignity and well-being. The IPA stands for that. It has no "goons", it has not censored anyone, it has not bullied anyone, not called those with different ideas "goons".

Are you against
The free market of ideas
Free flow of capital
Limited government
Efficient government
Evidence based policy
Rule of law
Representative democracy.

Of course you are. You are all for the goonery of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed.

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Reply #222 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 4:33pm:

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That's not debate, let's see what Frank's got.

Nah - more like a clean shot ..... like Bruce Lehrmann - there is no need to debate a poor case..

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Reply #223 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:46pm

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 4:38pm:

You are parroting crap again, parrot.

The usual intro to your argument; let's read on...

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"The IPA supports the free market of ideas,

and in fact the free market itself....increasingly subject to failure, in the complex ecological and climate constraints facing the world today.

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the free flow of capital,

from the least competitive to the most competitive.....

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a limited and efficient government,

code for minimal taxation, and entrenched public sector 'austerity'.

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evidence-based public policy,

Entrenched poverty and endless un-underemployment ought to be enough evidence that the current neoliberal free-market neoclassical economics doesn't work.

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the rule of law, and representative democracy.

You mean....the 'Golden Rule': he who has the gold makes the rules.....

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Throughout human history, these ideas have proven themselves to be the most dynamic, liberating and exciting. Our researchers apply these ideas to the public policy questions which matter today."

And as noted above, the free market is becoming increasingly dysfunctional and subject to failure; with neoclassical economics now obsolete because scarcity is now artificial and has been replaced with achievable surplus in our productive global AI and IT enhanced economies.

So the IPA researchers are barking up the wrong tree.

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The free and open contest of ideas is an essential aspect of human dignity and well-being. The IPA stands for that.

Refuted above, the IPA stands for free markets and outsized reward for the most competitive, with the least competitive thrown onto the unemployment scrap heap.

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It has no "goons", it has not censored anyone, it has not bullied anyone, not called those with different ideas "goons".

The IPA operates on blind self-interest which enforces poverty onto the least competitive; by definition, they are goons and bullies.

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Are you against
The free market of ideas

No

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Free flow of capital

Yes...when it is determined by greedy private financiers.

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Limited government

Yes, when it is code for minimal taxation, enforcing 'austerity' onto the public sector.

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Efficient government

No; and the most efficient govt is one which can fund itself, with public policy determined by available resource allocation, not by enforced austerity.

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Evidence based policy

No.

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Rule of law

No.

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Representative democracy.

No.

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Of course you are. You are all for the goonery of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed.

Refuted above.

Whereas you won't dare debate the topic of postulated individual 'rights'.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47987 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #224 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 1:45pm thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:46pm: Whereas you won't dare debate the topic of postulated individual 'rights'. What's that, then??? It's impossible to debate a parrot about terms he invented and then repeats endlessly, no matter what anyone says.
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