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Reply #225 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 2:16pm

The people as sovereign - that's all we need to know and all we have to do is enforce that...... a willing and co-operative populace is far more productive and prosperous than any Metropolis style drone culture... the problems built to a fine degree by the Aborigines themselves will not go away until they take responsibility for making them go away...

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Reply #226 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 1:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

Whereas you won't dare debate the topic of postulated individual 'rights'.

What's that, then???

It's impossible to debate a parrot about terms he invented and then repeats endlessly, no matter what anyone says.

quick google:

What are natural rights?
Summary. Natural rights theory holds that individuals have certain rights–such as the rights to life, liberty, and property–in virtue of their human nature rather than on account of prevailing laws or conventions.

Obvious nonsense; "rights" exist only because humans (and human nature) invented them, as well as the laws defining the "certain rights".

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Reply #227 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 6:15pm

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 1:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

It's impossible to debate a parrot about terms he invented and then repeats endlessly, no matter what anyone says.

Maybe everyone should debate like you sore end, and make concrete and cannoli their response to everything, after all, there's no better mass debater than you Cheesy

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Reply #228 - Dec 24^th, 2022 at 6:41pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

The people as sovereign - that's all we need to know and all we have to do is enforce that......

Problem: the people are divided - often by economics...

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a willing and co-operative populace is far more productive and prosperous than any Metropolis style drone culture...

maybe, but the disadvantaged and marginalized CAN'T be productive and prosperous

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the problems built to a fine degree by the Aborigines themselves will not go away until they take responsibility for making them go away...

The disadvantaged, demoralized and criminalized CAN'T take responsibility until they are taught HOW to take responsibility.

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Vote 1 Grappler Party - We ARE The People!!

Libertarian party: based on the delusion of 'voluntary co-operation' which is supposed to somehow achieve the common welfare.

Would require humans to have a 'co-operative instinct' rather than the present competitive instinct.

Look at what happened on that Melbourne football field a couple of weeks ago. Competitive tribalism gone mad.

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Reply #229 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

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Reply #230 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

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Reply #231 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

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Reply #232 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

they rape and murder babies

they get drunk and bash rape and murder women and other people

they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

they act like animals

Imprisonment rates
The imprisonment rate was 202 persons per 100,000 adult population:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rates
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate was 2,383 persons per 100,000 adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

10X+

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Reply #233 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:38am

Boris wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

they rape and murder babies

they get drunk and bash rape and murder women and other people

they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

they act like animals

Imprisonment rates
The imprisonment rate was 202 persons per 100,000 adult population:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rates
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate was 2,383 persons per 100,000 adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

10X+

All true (....maybe...); but you are true to form: blaming poverty on its victims.

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Reply #234 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 12:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

Boris wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

they rape and murder babies

they get drunk and bash rape and murder women and other people

they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

they act like animals

Imprisonment rates
The imprisonment rate was 202 persons per 100,000 adult population:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rates
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate was 2,383 persons per 100,000 adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

10X+

All true (....maybe...); but you are true to form: blaming poverty on its victims.

It is not poverty - it is DNA
they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #235 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 12:52pm

Boris wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

Boris wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

they rape and murder babies

they get drunk and bash rape and murder women and other people

they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

they act like animals

Imprisonment rates
The imprisonment rate was 202 persons per 100,000 adult population:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rates
The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate was 2,383 persons per 100,000 adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

10X+

All true (....maybe...); but you are true to form: blaming poverty on its victims.

It is not poverty - it is DNA

Eugenics has been generally debunked these days.

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they get pandered to with billions in gov handouts

from the bureaucracy of the poverty industry, neoliberalism's fraudulent, self-esteem destroying 'safety net'.

People need work, not poverty level dole.

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Reply #236 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 6:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

Garbage .... in the LABOR 13 years of Hawke & Keating why didn't that change? ......

Bob Hawke even stated that by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty. Grin

And the 7 years of Rudd, Gilliard, Rudd ... what happened there?

Kevin 07 even set the scene with the National Apology....

now the yearly budget for ATSI peoples & associated programs is $36 billion ....

it didn't decrease under the LNP through Abbott, Turnbull & Morrison......

care to tell me why you think throwing more & more money at the issues hasn't solved them?....

why have all these other Aboriginal voices like the NIAA & every other duplicated body dealing with solely Aboriginal issues .... FAILED?

And yes ..... this divisive Voice will also fail ...

at the referendum .... if Australians are thinking people & not just woke wankers.

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Reply #237 - Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:57pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 6:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 24^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

[quote author=Frank link=1670536755/229#229 date=1679607024]No campaign leader Warren Mundine has accused Anthony Albanese of “crocodile tears” over the voice after the Prime Minister refused to meet an Indigenous delegation on the eve of Thursday’s announcement.

Mr Mundine, one of the most prominent Indigenous voices opposed to the constitutional reform, told The Australian on Thursday that Mr Albanese had the opportunity to meet 20 Aboriginal people from around the country on Wednesday and had knocked them back. The delegation had travelled to Canberra to express their concerns about the voice, but could secure meetings only with the Coalition and some members of the crossbench.

Mr Albanese choked back tears on Thursday as he announced the wording of the question to be put to Australians at a referendum later this year.

Mr Mundine said his emotion sat in contrast to his unwillingness to meet Wednesday’s delegation.

“If he‘s fair dinkum and those tears aren’t crocodile tears, he should have met with them and listened to their concerns,” Mr Mundine said. “They are the sort of people he says the voice should be working for. He had the chance to prove that, and he didn’t.”

Albo is listening to only what he wants to hear.

It has nearly made me bilious reading about Albaneses teary episode.

Mundine & Jacinta Price have called out his "crocodile tears" ..... just pathetic woke tokenism & not worthy of any attempt for him to try & sell a yes vote for the extra "Voice".

A Labor Prime Minister & govt? pfffffffft yeah not.

The emotion was genuine enough - caused by the awful reality of 4th world poverty among blacks in Oz; but the RW like you accept poverty - or worse, blame poverty on its victims.

But Albo will discover soon enough that the voice won't eradicate the terrible poverty, and that the neoliberalism Labor has signed up to hook-line-and sink, is the cause of that entrenched poverty.

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Garbage .... in the LABOR 13 years of Hawke & Keating why didn't that change? ......

You need a history lesson: the Thatcherite/Friedmanite neoliberal era began immediately before the Hawke /Keating years - neoliberal orthodoxy which they adopted hook, line and sinker.

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Bob Hawke even stated that by 1990 no Australian child will be living in poverty. Grin

Exactly; Hawke should have said: no Oz child NEED live in poverty, but he didn't understand neoliberalism guaranteed continuation of entrenched poverty.

At least Keating has in the last few years come to understand the delusional - and evil - nature of current neoliberal central bank orthodoxy:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/26/keat-s26.html

Keating denounced** the RBA as “high priests of the incremental,” not daring to put a toe across the line of what was considered central bank orthodoxy. He raised the perspective of the RBA directly buying government bonds from the Treasury.

**at the height of the pandemic lockdowns in 2020.

Note the underlined ie, the MMT prescription, a taboo among orthodox central bankers more concerned with looking after the interests of wealthy private bond-holders rather than the general public.

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And the 7 years of Rudd, Gilliard, Rudd ... what happened there?

Same as for Howard before... and Abbott, Turnbull, and Morrison after....they are all signed up to the current post 80s delusional neoliberal/neoclassical orthodoxy, unlike the post war years to the early 80s when Keynesian 'welfare state' economics held sway.....and Menzies almost lost the 1960 election because unemployment had ticked up to - gasp - 2%...

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Kevin 07 even set the scene with the National Apology....

Yes ....all these blind neoliberals looking around for what's causing the egregious gap, and not able to see it....

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now the yearly budget for ATSI peoples & associated programs is $36 billion ....

Yes, courtesy of the neoliberal 'safety net' delusion which finances a poverty industry, rather than a job guarantee.

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it didn't decrease under the LNP through Abbott, Turnbull & Morrison......

care to tell me why you think throwing more & more money at the issues hasn't solved them?....

Explained above; indeed throwing money at the poverty industry is the ultimate waste, as we have all seen: the gap is as bad as ever.

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why have all these other Aboriginal voices like the NIAA & every other duplicated body dealing with solely Aboriginal issues .... FAILED?

Because they are supporting the poverty industry, not a Job Guarantee.,

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And yes ..... this divisive Voice will also fail ...

Very likely.

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at the referendum .... if Australians are thinking people & not just woke wankers.

Australians are as hood-winked as you re neoliberal economic orthodoxy:

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=60731

Former Bank of Japan governor challenges the current monetary policy consensus

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Reply #238 - Mar 25^th, 2023 at 5:28pm

The Voice is so divisive the ‘yes’ mob can’t even agree on a referendum question!

Isn’t it typical?

The “referendum working group” – a committee set up by the government to give advice about the Voice – have been arguing about exactly how massive the change to your Constitution should be.

The activis.
ts running the show insist that the Voice needs power over government ministers and departments as well as the Australian Parliament.

But the government just wants the Voice to ride roughshod over Parliament.

According to union activist and working group member Thomas Mayor: “We are trying to land on a form of words that will give our people the most powerful Voice possible…”

He reckons the people on his side who are concerned about the massive impact on the Constitution are acting like “white saviours” for proposing limits on the power of the Voice1.

Marcia Langton, the veteran activist who actually wrote the book on the Voice, accused “relevancy-deprived, race-baiting constitutional conservatives”.

And they’re talking about their colleagues who support the Voice!

While her working group is arguing over what wording they want in your constitution, Indigenous Minister Linda Burney is in denial.

“There is no division and I want to make that extraordinarily clear,” she said on Friday2.

Yeah, whatever mate!

Burney said the legislation containing the question to be put to the Australian people along with the wording to be contained in the Constitution would be tabled in Parliament in the last week of March.

Let’s see if the government meets that deadline, shall we?

Even if they do get their act together and have a draft of the wording together by then, Burney said it would be subject to a “comprehensive parliamentary inquiry”3.

So after all this, after years of debate, after the 272-page Indigenous Voice Co-design Process “final” report, they are still fighting over the wording of the referendum and what exactly to put in the Constitution!

No wonder the ‘yes’ side is a mess, because the problem isn’t which particular model of the Voice.

The problem isn’t whether it has power over the Parliament and executive government or just the Parliament.

The problem isn’t the wording.

The problem is that the Voice is a dangerous and divisive idea.

It’s enshrining division and separation into the Constitution and it doesn’t matter which form of words it takes.

It’s wrong on principle, full stop!

Yours in unity,

Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price

1 The Guardian, “‘White saviours’ accused of finding flaws in voice proposal ‘to stay in spotlight’ by working group member”, March 14, 2023

2 The Australian, “Voice reform is on course: Linda Burney”, March 17, 2023

3 The Hon Linda Burney MP, “Referendum Working Group Communique”, March 16, 2023

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #239 - Mar 25^th, 2023 at 7:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

The Voice is so divisive the ‘yes’ mob can’t even agree on a referendum question!

Isn’t it typical?

The “referendum working group” – a committee set up by the government to give advice about the Voice – have been arguing about exactly how massive the change to your Constitution should be.

The activis.
ts running the show insist that the Voice needs power over government ministers and departments as well as the Australian Parliament.

But the government just wants the Voice to ride roughshod over Parliament.

According to union activist and working group member Thomas Mayor: “We are trying to land on a form of words that will give our people the most powerful Voice possible…”

He reckons the people on his side who are concerned about the massive impact on the Constitution are acting like “white saviours” for proposing limits on the power of the Voice1.

Marcia Langton, the veteran activist who actually wrote the book on the Voice, accused “relevancy-deprived, race-baiting constitutional conservatives”.

And they’re talking about their colleagues who support the Voice!

While her working group is arguing over what wording they want in your constitution, Indigenous Minister Linda Burney is in denial.

“There is no division and I want to make that extraordinarily clear,” she said on Friday2.

Yeah, whatever mate!

Burney said the legislation containing the question to be put to the Australian people along with the wording to be contained in the Constitution would be tabled in Parliament in the last week of March.

Let’s see if the government meets that deadline, shall we?

Even if they do get their act together and have a draft of the wording together by then, Burney said it would be subject to a “comprehensive parliamentary inquiry”3.

So after all this, after years of debate, after the 272-page Indigenous Voice Co-design Process “final” report, they are still fighting over the wording of the referendum and what exactly to put in the Constitution!

No wonder the ‘yes’ side is a mess, because the problem isn’t which particular model of the Voice.

The problem isn’t whether it has power over the Parliament and executive government or just the Parliament.

The problem isn’t the wording.

The problem is that the Voice is a dangerous and divisive idea.

It’s enshrining division and separation into the Constitution and it doesn’t matter which form of words it takes.

It’s wrong on principle, full stop!

Yours in unity,

Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price

1 The Guardian, “‘White saviours’ accused of finding flaws in voice proposal ‘to stay in spotlight’ by working group member”, March 14, 2023

2 The Australian, “Voice reform is on course: Linda Burney”, March 17, 2023

3 The Hon Linda Burney MP, “Referendum Working Group Communique”, March 16, 2023

Price is as confused as anyone; she thinks the nation can close the gap by letting blacks do it.

Yet as Laura Tingle wrote yesterday:

"Whatever the merits of the proposal, it feels we need much more explanation and discussion about how the Voice can make a difference."

Sorry about that, graps....

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