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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #240 - Aug 18^th, 2023 at 10:04am

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:10pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused.
This is the real epidemic in Australia.

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Evidence, Matty, evidence. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.
More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.
One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.
In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.
Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

Bloody hell.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lasonya-duttons-decomposing-body-was-ea...

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Reply #241 - Aug 18^th, 2023 at 4:59pm

Jesus, dividie - clearly you are confused - she didn't say that not having the voice would close any gaps - she said there were ways of doing that and the voice would never do that, only create more division .... and, by extension, eventual civil war.

What this demand for a voice will do is create the environment wherein the Australian people will demand to know where all their hard-earned has gone in 'closing these gaps' for the poor suffering Aborigines.

Once it is dead, cremated and buried, there might be a chance of finding some REAL solutions to the Aboriginal's problems, brought on by their own sovereign individual actions ... just for a change... and without changing the entire economic structure by which the civilised West operates.

Clearly giving them personal sovereignty - so anathema to you - to make their own decisions about all this lovely coming their way has failed again and again - and only serves to line the pockets of their self-appointed Aboriginal aristocracy - same as this stupid voice is intended to.

So in that limited area - clearly there is a need for a single centralised governing body to control the cash and cut duplications.

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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #242 - Aug 28^th, 2023 at 8:46am

Yes23 campaigners, who will target voters in SA, Tasmania, WA and Queensland, are instructed to follow the “Four Vs framework – value, villain, victory and vision”.

After discussing values, which are universal or widely supported, campaigners are told to “name the villain, or unfair barrier, including who or what is harming us and why – pick a villain that most people dislike or distrust”. The Yes23 document tells volunteers to single out wealthy miners as villains: “Mining billionaires care more about profit than protecting our country.” This is despite some of the country’s biggest mining companies, such as BHP and Rio Tinto, backing the voice.

Other villain themes include harm caused by discrimination of the past, successive governments taking funding away from local communities without consultation and past governments reneging on promises made to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

Under the Four Vs framework, “value” is based on Australians believing everyone deserves a fair go, “villain” focuses on exposing discrimination and racism “that still has an impact today”, “victory” celebrates the voice as a practical step forward and “vision” represents a “united community where everyone is treated with respect and dignity”.

Yes23 volunteers are told that “in this campaign, when they go low – we will go high”, and encouraged to “introduce yourself using positional language rather than hierarchical language”.

The key message for voters categorised as Sceptical Allies, who Yes23 fears are adopting arguments from “covert conservatives”, is that a No vote will “be a big setback for FN (First Nations) people”.

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman and No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said “once again we see the Yes camp making it up as they go along, and ‘redirecting’ voters who just want the detail”.

“The fact they are treating voters like mugs shows the complete desperation on the Yes side, and the fact their proposal only serves to divide us, not unite us,” Senator Price told The Australian.

“This is all the more disingenuous given the Yes camp has eagerly accepted several million dollars from some of the world’s biggest miners.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-...

Tellembuggerem.

The mining companies support the Voice, yet they are vilified for the mongs by the totally dishonest Yes campaigners.
The hoof is showing and the knife under the cloak.

Vote No.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 47892 Gender:	Re: The Voice Kool-Aid Reply #243 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 11:08am Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 3:42pm: In 2016, two votes, quite close together, helped shape a narrative that has affected the media’s approach to elections ever since. The victories of Brexit and Donald Trump were used to tell many stories. Seven years later, 14 October 2023 will be Australia's Brexit moment.
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Re: The Voice Kool-Aid
Reply #244 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 11:54am

Frank wrote on Aug 28^th, 2023 at 8:46am:

Yes23 campaigners, who will target voters in SA, Tasmania, WA and Queensland, are instructed to follow the “Four Vs framework – value, villain, victory and vision”.

After discussing values, which are universal or widely supported, campaigners are told to “name the villain, or unfair barrier, including who or what is harming us and why – pick a villain that most people dislike or distrust”. The Yes23 document tells volunteers to single out wealthy miners as villains: “Mining billionaires care more about profit than protecting our country.” This is despite some of the country’s biggest mining companies, such as BHP and Rio Tinto, backing the voice.

Other villain themes include harm caused by discrimination of the past, successive governments taking funding away from local communities without consultation and past governments reneging on promises made to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

Under the Four Vs framework, “value” is based on Australians believing everyone deserves a fair go, “villain” focuses on exposing discrimination and racism “that still has an impact today”, “victory” celebrates the voice as a practical step forward and “vision” represents a “united community where everyone is treated with respect and dignity”.

Yes23 volunteers are told that “in this campaign, when they go low – we will go high”, and encouraged to “introduce yourself using positional language rather than hierarchical language”.

The key message for voters categorised as Sceptical Allies, who Yes23 fears are adopting arguments from “covert conservatives”, is that a No vote will “be a big setback for FN (First Nations) people”.

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman and No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said “once again we see the Yes camp making it up as they go along, and ‘redirecting’ voters who just want the detail”.

“The fact they are treating voters like mugs shows the complete desperation on the Yes side, and the fact their proposal only serves to divide us, not unite us,” Senator Price told The Australian.

“This is all the more disingenuous given the Yes camp has eagerly accepted several million dollars from some of the world’s biggest miners.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-...

Tellembuggerem.

The mining companies support the Voice, yet they are vilified for the mongs by the totally dishonest Yes campaigners.
The hoof is showing and the knife under the cloak.

Vote No.

And yet they have the gall to accuse no campaigners (are there any?) of lying and using scare tactics etc.

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