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Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:57pm

"now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land."

That's all it says - nothing about absolute ownership....... somebody needs to explain that slowly to them and to those like you who simply fail to understand.

I know, Ike - maybe they could be taught that in schools..... part of the culture, you know..

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 3:00pm

"now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land."

What part of that offers absolute ownership? It even says on NON-freehold land - meaning there is NO freehold title over that land.

See what I mean about Definition Creep?? A foot in the door and away they go in Macquarie Street and on the ground if they are black - the government will 're-consider' when receiving enough 'representations' from 'stakeholders' - meaning ONLY black ones to the absolute exclusion of everyone else - and will somehow find a 'need' to extend ownership way beyond what Native Title actually confers.

You see - bushwalkers, climbers and national park OWNERS - the People - are generally a quiet lot who just think everything is rosy while the Silverback Standover Voices are building and building whine after whine about how badly done by they are by having to share with others... like nasty little kids in a pre-school wanting all the toys. Governments these days have neither the balls nor the nous to just say NO as they should have been doing all along.

Haven't you had your eyes and ears open over the past forty years, Smith?

Even dividie sees entrenched poverty and disadvantage - but he can't extend his thinking properly to see the real reasons wt - hint - 'preference' of all kinds... Sad Kanga carries on as if the Keffir are the only ones disadvantaged - and somehow by disadvantaging others they will be risen from the death of their own endless failures...

Well - guess what - they're not Robinson Crusoe's Black Man Friday all on their ownsome out there in No-Noland/NeverHaveLand.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 3:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

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I am presently listening on the radio to "Christmas Tree" sung in Aboriginal by the Classics Choir. Sounds wonderful. Listen to it, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That's like saying 'sung in European', you half-witted Tut-tutsie Bbwian.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74508 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:22pm Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:10pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:21pm: this will bring the bigots out in force again is that all you've got? gee, I thought FD would beat you to it. I was wrong
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:05pm

See - this is where all the do-gooders and the Abos make their biggest mistakes and cause all the trouble - this assuming the possession of Native Title to carry on cultural things somehow translates into absolute ownership.

Well - it doesn't. Now step aside while the rest of Australia does its cultural things.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:08pm

Frank wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

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I am presently listening on the radio to "Christmas Tree" sung in Aboriginal by the Classics Choir. Sounds wonderful. Listen to it, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That's like saying 'sung in European', you half-witted Tut-tutsie Bbwian.

Which of the 1100+ lingos was that?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29499 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #25 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:08pm John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:22pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:10pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:21pm: this will bring the bigots out in force again is that all you've got? gee, I thought FD would beat you to it. I was wrong Nah ... you don't think.
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #26 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:11pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

What bollocks. It has phuckall to do with "crown" title.

But lets just see you set up somewhere on govt land(not crown) because you think you should be entitled to do so.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #27 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:13pm

"The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land."

Not a word about ownership there..... it's not freehold land for anyone including them... got it yet?

Now if they try to stop bushwalkers and climbers they should be arrested..... if they vandalise visitor's cars they should be jailed under terrorism laws and fined and made to pay compensation in full.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #28 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:13pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:08pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 3:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

I am presently listening on the radio to "Christmas Tree" sung in Aboriginal by the Classics Choir. Sounds wonderful. Listen to it, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That's like saying 'sung in European', you half-witted Tut-tutsie Bbwian.

Which of the 1100+ lingos was that?

By the sound of it it was one of those made up languages that come from an area where the language has been lost.

And the choir trying to sing it is absolutely pathetically cringeworthy nonsense.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #29 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 9:54pm

Here are the rights involved:-

The right to access, move about and traverse.
The right to camp and erect temporary shelters but not to permanently camp or occupy.
The right to hunt and fish for non-commercial purposes.
The right to access and use natural water resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to gather, share and exchange natural resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to conduct and participate in ceremonial, ritual and spiritual activities.
The right to maintain and protect places of importance under traditional laws and customs.
The right to transmit traditional knowledge to members of the native title claim group
The right to hold meetings.

Tell me which one is the clincher and will be the cause of all troubles and of Definition Creep that steadily erodes all rights of all others............ I know already......

BTW - nowhere does it say that these rights are exclusive to them........ and as this is National Parks and Crown land, most of those rights adhere to everyone already....

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