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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41844	Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Dec 19^th, 2022 at 2:55pm Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people in the Northern Rivers after decade-long claim process
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 3:37pm

Boris wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 3:27pm:

Its all a ever see

Boris wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

Another day - any idea how many times I've seen this?

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/nt-teenager-who-raped-sevenyearold-gir...

NT teenager who raped seven-year-old girl while on parole for arson to be released less than two months after being convicted
Citing a previous ruling, the sentencing judge said “allowing the degree of cumulation which would be required in the application of the ordinary principles” would have “a crushing effect” on the offender, given his youth.

A sixteen-year-old male who raped a seven-year-old girl in a Northern Territory town while on parole for arson will be released from detention less than two months after being convicted.

The teenager was sentenced in the Northern Territory Supreme Court on November 30 - a week before his eighteenth birthday - after pleading guilty to raping the girl in Tennant Creek on May 12 last year.

The court heard the girl had been watching television at the teenager’s house when he groped her before forcing her into a bedroom where she was raped.

The victim later told her mother the teenager “had sex with her in the front and the back”.

She had to be flown by the Royal Flying Doctor Service to Alice Springs for treatment.

The court heard the girl had been traumatised by the incident and was now afraid to go outside.

She struggles to sleep, does not want to go to school and wants to move away from Tennant Creek.

The victim’s mother told the court her once “bubbly and outgoing” daughter is now “scared and anxious”.

The girl’s father told the court the rape was “the worst thing imaginable to happen to a father’s daughter” and that the incident had “gutted him to the core”.

The offender was arrested four days after the incident and has been in custody since at the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre.

Justice Sonia Brownhill sentenced the teenager to three years in prison, suspended after one year and seven months. The maximum sentence for the offence is 25 years.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41844	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2022 at 3:56pm Boring, one Racist track mind, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #3 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:18am

.... and so it begins............. and never ends now......

Who are all those wharte people sitting in that audience?

"The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land."

Doesn't mean they own it.... but watch this space for all the trouble......

Nobody ever has any trouble or problem with their carrying out cultural activities - as long as they don't interfere and prevent others from the same rights.

Nah, then - we need a definition of 'cultural activities'....... sounds too open-ended to me... claim something is cultural and you get to exclude everyone else... the race will now be on to extend and extend this until nobody goes there ... and judging by past performances at Mt Warning... that will include terrorism.

Things like this are never the end - they are the beginning.... and I TOLD YOU SO!!

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #4 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 6:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 3:56pm:

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Boring, one Racist track mind, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

To you it's boring - you just do not mind about girls being raped.

The girl doesn't think it's boring.

It's terrible for the girl, her family and the Hospital staff - but you just do not care. You lack empathy. I have had to deal with this as a Hospital employee and First Responder - and let me tell you it is terrible - I have nightmares. I have lost count of the raped and murdered women and children I have seen - you have seen none.

So you go to the Alice Springs Hospital and tell everyone they are racist and boring if they don't like what they see and think its bad. You are such a fool. You don't care about this girl or all the others.

She had to be flown by the Royal Flying Doctor Service to Alice Springs for treatment.

The court heard the girl had been traumatised by the incident and was now afraid to go outside.

She struggles to sleep, does not want to go to school and wants to move away from Tennant Creek.

The victim’s mother told the court her once “bubbly and outgoing” daughter is now “scared and anxious”.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #5 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 8:25am

Boring? Racist?

https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abus...
The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

Children have sexual diseases. Children under the age of 10 and as young as 4 are diagnosed with sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhoea, chlamydia, syphilis and trichomoniasis [11].

Early exposure to pornography. Children as young as three have been exposed to pornographic material in their homes [12].

Teenage rape. Teenagers rape children, and older children rape very young children.
Higher vulnerability to illness later in life. The younger the child and the more frequent the abuse, the more likely they are to manifest physical symptoms later in life that hint at their trauma. It could be pelvic pain, stomach aches, chronic back pain or more-complex conditions such as autoimmune disease, asthma, psoriasis and type 2 diabetes. Experts call this 'somatisation': physical manifestations of psychological trauma. [13]

Within a six-month period in early 2007 the Northern Territory Health Department reported more than 800 cases of sexually transmitted diseases in Indigenous populations, while just 53 cases were noted in non-Indigenous groups [11].

Source: Aboriginal sexual abuse - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abuse#sexual-abuse-in-aboriginal-communities

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41844	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #6 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:39am I am presently listening on the radio to "Christmas Tree" sung in Aboriginal by the Classics Choir. Sounds wonderful. Listen to it, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #7 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:58am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19^th, 2022 at 2:55pm:

Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people in the Northern Rivers after decade-long claim process Cool

The 1,559 square kilometre claim was first filed in June 2013.

It spans half a dozen local government areas comprising[highlight] Lismore, Ballina, Byron, Kyogle, Tweed and the Richmond Valley.
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I hope they have scuba gear? Grin

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Reply #8 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 11:00am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:18am:

.... and so it begins............. and never ends now......

Who are all those wharte people sitting in that audience?

"The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land."

Doesn't mean they own it.... but watch this space for all the trouble......

Nobody ever has any trouble or problem with their carrying out cultural activities - as long as they don't interfere and prevent others from the same rights.

Nah, then - we need a definition of 'cultural activities'....... sounds too open-ended to me... claim something is cultural and you get to exclude everyone else... the race will now be on to extend and extend this until nobody goes there ... and judging by past performances at Mt Warning... that will include terrorism.

Things like this are never the end - they are the beginning.... and I TOLD YOU SO!!

The whitest bloke with the long hair & the gingery appearance is a Mickey Ryan & he's supposed to be a traditional owner. Grin

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #9 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 11:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

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I am presently listening on the radio to "Christmas Tree" sung in Aboriginal by the Classics Choir. Sounds wonderful. Listen to it, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You'd like it ... it's truly cringeworthy like yourself.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #10 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 11:02am

Anyway - this must be made perfectly clear - Native Title to carry out customs etc is not the same as total ownership, and the responsibility is on all parties using that land to share in good faith.

The trouble will be when some try to shut out areas of this on 'cultural' grounds.... such as 'traditions says nobody but us can go there' ...and some will even continue their terrorist campaign against 'other' visitors, as with Mt Warning, Alice Springs and so forth. I foresee trouble over this Native Title ..... and not from anyone not Indigenous...

To me there needs to be a stipulation that failure or refusal to co-operate in good faith will result in canceling of the deal. If some cannot abide by the rules then those people must face sanctions, and if that does not work, the rules need to be changed. Simple.

Now watch this space for the treachery of politicians living in Sydney with their by now traditional 'definition creep'.......

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74564 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #11 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:21pm this will bring the bigots out in force again
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #12 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:27pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 12:21pm:

this will bring the bigots out in force again Cheesy

Yes - they'll be crying and screeching about how the natives own it and everyone else using it is an invader and somehow usurping their rights etc... disturbing the spirits...

"The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land.

Nothing there about total ownership.... just some cultural activities same as everyone else... bushwalkers etc have a cultural activity called bushwalking.... climbers have a cultural activity called climbing... nothing about closures or anything else..... but the bigots will soon be looking for a chance to impose those...

Share and share alike or get out of the way ......

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74564 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:05pm My money was on you or FD being the first ... you beat him to it
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Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

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