Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21
st, 2022 at 3:59pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21
st, 2022 at 3:41pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20
th, 2022 at 1:11pm:
Nah - you beat everyone...
So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?
Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.
Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...
I must say I think you are on more solid ground here, as opposed to your trying to denigrate blacks because of their horrifying crime and incarceration stats for which White settlement - with its dispossession and discrimination for nearly 2 centuries - is partly responsible.
Note it's not only black on black crime, the result of total community demoralization (after we "smashed their culture" ) and family dysfunction (after generational poverty) since 1800 - it's also black on white crime, as we are seeing in Alice Springs.
To avoid an apartheid division of black and non-black culture, the only viable long term solution is to intervene to close the gap - not maintain it, as all our policies have resulted in so far.
Hard facts and figures don't denigrate anyone on the basis of their colour - people who denigrate themselves need no help. The smashing of the culture - a catch-phrase without much guts to it - did not and does not ruin their lifestyle.... their personal choices do that. Try to keep up.
Your first error right there; obviously people who 'denigrate' ( self-harm) themselves DO need help.
Quote:Unlike you - I know EXACTLY what it means to be brought up in an environment where it is considered a virtue to 'toughen young blokes up' by abuse and violence etc... and I know full well the outcomes and how very hard it is to get away from that.... but it can be done - and in the case of these young outlaws etc - MUST be done or they will suffer all their lives.
all correct there , congrats. Even Jordan Peterson agrees with both of us, ie, the need to toughen kids up so they become socialized, not harming self or others. The question is - HOW.
Quote:Our policies, costing billions upon billions, to try to get them out of that lifestyle have met with a stonewall of silence and non co-operation... put simply they refuse to go along with the ideas but are happy to see the cash poured out.... then all they want to do is demand things nobody else has or ever had here... all for free....
Back to your full-on error mode; drinking one's-self to death on a Broome beach, surrounded by broken grog bottles , or smashing stolen cars in the Alice, isn't 'silent' or 'happy', it's destructive of self and others.
Quote:Life doesn't work that way...
Correct; oppress a people with dispossession and destruction of culture, and they will self harm or fight back.
Quote:and 'their way', the old Indigenous Imperialist Colonisation approach to grabbing land and claiming it, has been overtaken by history for EVERYONE else in the world but them....... you want land - you buy it like everyone else now - you can't just colonial claim it as yours. You didn't like Captain Cook doing it - so buggar off when you want to do it!
Correct, more or less, we all have to live together on this continent.
Quote:Get your mind right before you slash at me, boy-o!
I know your Libertarian brain rebels from the solution (ie, a Job Guarantee), but there you have it.