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Reply #120 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 6:51pm
 
"Eg in Afghanistan and Iran, where in fact half the population (ie female) IS calling for UN intervention into their rogue governments.  "

Why would anyone imagine the UN can and will intervene in Afghanistan and Iran?  It has neither the guts/balls nor the power to do so, same as every half-cocked 'intervention' except for Korea, where the locals have been slaughtered relentlessly until someone intervened... often a sovereign power such as France and Britain.

"President Emmanuel Macron of France will head to Mali next week to visit the French military stationed there as part of France's Operation Barkhane, which currently involves 3,500 troops across Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso. "

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-parliament-2...

Read that last - it should give you an indication of where any such ideas entertained for the UN will lead..... apart from the reality that it is highly unlikely that the UN would even vote to intervene .... they have not the balls..... and are THE house divided against itself ... who is going to intervene in Afghanistan and Iran?

The UN might slap those regimes around a bit with a damp and soggy lettuce leaf... while people are dying....

Any chance you could stick to the subject matter of the theft of our national parks, sovereign rights of individuals to enjoy those, and the very real problems the current approach will cause for future generations?

One subject at a time is enough to seek resolution for..... the world can wait until our internal borders are secure again ....... then maybe we can spare some help for them once we lift the moratorium on further immigration from the third world.
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Reply #121 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:19pm
 
BTW - I signed the petitions to stop executions in Iran of people protesting and especially an Iranian actress, the arrests of innocents with a view different from the 'government', the oppression of women in Afghanistan...

As an Equalist, I feel obliged to do so... just don't insult be by calling me a  ... (gags) ....
feminist
...... or an (blooks) ...
Islamophile
... I am a man for all people equally..... so go bite your arses.
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Reply #122 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:47pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
BTW - I signed the petitions to stop executions in Iran of people protesting and especially an Iranian actress, the arrests of innocents with a view different from the 'government', the oppression of women in Afghanistan...


That'll teach them....

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Reply #123 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:14am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:19pm:
BTW - I signed the petitions to stop executions in Iran of people protesting and especially an Iranian actress, the arrests of innocents with a view different from the 'government', the oppression of women in Afghanistan...


That'll teach them....




Yes - it's so important to make a statement... they'll listen... but you know what?  Every dope-raddled asshole expects me to actually influence the governments of Iran and Afghanistan, and stop rape of women in India and throwing acid in their faces in Pakistan, and 'honour' killings, and somehow be responsible for the sex slavery of hill girls in Thailand, and stop modern day slavery etc ... but they never once offer to do that themselves.....

Catch my drift?

My challenge was to the assholes - do YOU even bother - or are you just all talk?

Lock in b), Eddie - all talk....
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Reply #124 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:17am
 
Now - back to the subject:-

"The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on non-freehold land, such as national parks and crown land.

    The right to access, move about and traverse.
    The right to camp and erect temporary shelters but not to permanently camp or occupy.
    The right to hunt and fish for non-commercial purposes.
    The right to access and use natural water resources for non-commercial purposes.
    The right to gather, share and exchange natural resources  for non-commercial purposes.
    The right to conduct and participate in ceremonial, ritual and spiritual activities. 
    The right to maintain and protect places of importance under traditional laws and customs.
    The right to transmit traditional knowledge to members of the native title claim group
    The right to hold meetings."


It doesn't mean they own it - and it doesn't mean they can stop anyone else from using it.
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Reply #125 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:54am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 12:11pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 11:00am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 9:50am:
Indeed it is, and if all nations are to be free from poverty and international war, all nations will need to submit to rule of international law (just as citizens must submit to national law).

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A UNSC whose members were bound by a majority vote of the UNGA and UNSC, just as the law of a nation is decided by majority vote in the supreme court.
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The UNSC has 99% of the world's military force, which if deployed by a majority UNSC vote, is obviously irresistible. Hence the UNSC could guarantee security for all nations, enabling a general disarmament. 


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Wrong, as addressed above, it would be a general disarmament among nations who would only need to maintain police forces for internal security, not militaries for external security.

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The US is hoping to provoke war in China, to prevent China's economy from growing bigger than the US. 

Indeed if I were Xi, I would be pressing to get rid of the veto in the UNSC, because the US is obviously hell-bent on making Taiwan a state of the US, armed to the teeth against the mainland, as part of its China containment policy.



Laughable idiocy. You live in a 5 year old's naive fantasy toy world, parrot.


The usual...let's read on.

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Who is going to finance the militaries of 5 powers of the UNSC? Those 5 countries or the whole world? How will costs be shared?


The five countries plus Japan and Germany rounding out the 7 most powerful/richest economies in the world - plus Russia's nuclear arsenal (indeed the UNSC should be enlarged with membership of these two). 


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What happens if someone outside of the 5 powers wants to be a soldier or marine or airmen? Excluded?


Occupations come and go all the time.

How about a career in the national civilian police force instead?

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Who will command them?


Similar to any coalition command.

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Who will decide deployment - the 5 or all UN members?


The 5 (or better, seven as noted above), carrying out the voted policy (the "voice"!) of the UNGA,  and the UNSC members (without veto).  

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  What happens if they disagree (as now)? Would all countries, from Iran to Pakistan, North Korea to Venezuela submit?


All  nations are presently signed up to the UN Charter,  the problem is the UNSC can't guarantee security for any one nation. If the UNSC could guarantee external security, why would you not submit to international law?

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What happens about countries internally monstering their own people, from China to Iran?


The general disarmament I referred to would deprive nations of the military means to "monster their own people", like Myanmar.

Where other countries' governments depart from the principles of the UNUDHR, the civilian police force would be quickly overwhelmed by a UN military contingent.

Eg in Afghanistan and Iran, where in fact half the population (ie female) IS calling for UN intervention into their rogue governments. 

Note: re-education camps in Xinjiang camps do NOT violate the UNUDHR, that's just opportunistic Western ideology/propaganda; the US is only too willing to bomb Muslims when it sees fit, China prefers reeducation of its own fundamentalist separatist terrorists.

Conclusion: it's time...in the age of MAD -  to outlaw war as a means of dispute settlement between nations.


"Laughable, pre-adolescent jumbled fantasy bollocks" is correct.


See.. you bailed out again, your blind 'freedom" ideology rendering you unable to cope with debate.

You were saying "some" natural rights exist, I asked you to identify them...
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #126 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:05pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 12:30pm:
Do children have a right not to go into the pot?


It's the ultimate insanity/blindness if they do go into the pot.

But "rights" don't have anything to do with it.

Speaking of negative "rights",  everyone has a right not to live in poverty (UNUDHR article 23).

But only law can make it happen.
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Reply #127 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:15pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 3:08pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 1:30pm:
Well may you have simply addressed the arguments - you did not score a single hit though with all your addressing.  Slippery as an eel...


That's not debate; you can't decide the "score" - like the fox in charge of the henhouse; you need to refute the arguments, not merely claim "slippery as an eel" 


Refuted over and over - hardly my fault that you choose to never see a single thing that disagrees with your fixed worldview.


I always see and refute every single one of your delusional Libertarian concepts and desires; whereas you bailed out of the debate.
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Reply #128 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
Boris wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 11:09am:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell, 1984


And now the need for assistance with housing and food costs is higher in Oz than since the Great Depression.

Charity will fix it....

Some "Party"
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Reply #129 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:54am:
See.. you bailed out again, your blind 'freedom" ideology rendering you unable to cope with debate.

You were saying "some" natural rights exist, I asked you to identify them...

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664785668/465#465
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Reply #130 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 3:12pm:
Complete bollocks. Welfare spending as a percent of GDP has been growing relentlessly and covers more and more areas of life. To say that it was dismantled in the 1970s is just stupid.


Ah yes, I didn't fully address that point in your #104:

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/welfare-expenditure

As a proportion of overall economic activity,government welfare spending had been reducing in the years leading up to 2019–20, declining from 9.5% of gro ss domestic product (GDP) in 2015–16 to 8.8% in 2018–19. In 2019–20, it grew to 9.9% of GDP. The only time it has been higher in the past 2 decades was after the Global Financial Crisis (GFC), when it reached 10% (in 2008–09) (Figure 2).

And of course un/underemployment has been consistently higher since the demise of the Keynesian welfare state in the 70s. ...in fact Menzies almost lost office in 1960 because unemployment ticked up to....gasp ...2%!, so govt. expenditure on the dole has risen in the now dominant Thatcherite neoliberal era. 

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Again, stupid nonsense endlessly parroted.


Again, no refutation of the necessity to eradicate  war as a means of dispute settlement  between nations, only a blind acceptance of never-ending war as the way to secure peace....

Can't see the insanity?  Of course not....
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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #131 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:37pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 5:07pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 3:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 4:34pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 8:55am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 3:18pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 9:50am:
Neither do I. You've had too much salt air ... it's crystalising between your ears.



Sure you are. You  and others are here crying because you can't clink Mt warning and others can ... boo hoo


Only part of those "others" can ... not all of them.

You've forgotton all about secret mens & secret womens business haven't you?

Don't you think part of those others are being mysogynistic/partriarchal oppressors?


so you agree now that you were crying about it
Cheesy


No. FW


Live in denial if that helps you to sleep


I live in a small but modest house ... I sleep fine.
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Reply #132 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 1:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 12:15pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 3:08pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 26th, 2022 at 1:30pm:
Well may you have simply addressed the arguments - you did not score a single hit though with all your addressing.  Slippery as an eel...


That's not debate; you can't decide the "score" - like the fox in charge of the henhouse; you need to refute the arguments, not merely claim "slippery as an eel" 


Refuted over and over - hardly my fault that you choose to never see a single thing that disagrees with your fixed worldview.


I always see and refute every single one of your delusional Libertarian concepts and desires; whereas you bailed out of the debate. 


Delusion piled on delusion - now you reckon that the UN will never go to war to stop or prevent war - it's been explained to you how utterly impractical your idea is... you keep your drone status and I'll keep my inalienable right to be myself and not expect to be violated for it.

How you can throw in some urge to war and all this 'your ideology' nonsense is beyond me - you clearly are simply incapable of seeing anything you don't want to - Frank has you nailed, except that you're a simple troll in reality trying to stir people up just like ... Lefty.... out of the same stable, are you?  Now don't you forget we're all Fascists here....  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Now - on the subject of those native title rights - nowhere does it say they OWN the property... pretty simple - but you watch that space...
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Reply #133 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 2:50pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 1:25pm:
Delusion piled on delusion - now you reckon that the UN will never go to war to stop or prevent war


No, rather that no nation - in a scenario of general disarmament -  would be capable, much less prepared to fight a UNSC deploying forces to implement a decision of the UNGA and UNSC.


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- it's been explained to you how utterly impractical your idea is... you keep your drone status and I'll keep my inalienable right to be myself and not expect to be violated for it.


Your 'inalienable right'  to decide right and wrong in your own interests...I get it.

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How you can throw in some urge to war and all this 'your ideology' nonsense is beyond me -


More back to front and inverted thinking on your part (all at the same time); my "urge" is for the eradication of war as a legal means of dispute settlement between nations.

You hold the insane idea that peace is achieved by war, yet here we are again...at war in Ukraine, with the economy heading south.   

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you clearly are simply incapable of seeing anything you don't want to - Frank has you nailed, except that you're a simple troll in reality trying to stir people up just like ... Lefty.... out of the same stable, are you?  Now don't you forget we're all Fascists here....  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


I'm urging people to think for themselves, to understand war and poverty are obsolete. There is no real scarcity now, only politically determined scarcity. 

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Now - on the subject of those native title rights - nowhere does it say they OWN the property... pretty simple - but you watch that space...


Now...you know my thoughts on "land rights" ...we all need decent affordable housing, and equal access to the commons, not "land rights".
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Reply #134 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 4:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 2:50pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 1:25pm:
Delusion piled on delusion - now you reckon that the UN will never go to war to stop or prevent war


No, rather that no nation - in a scenario of general disarmament -  would be capable, much less prepared to fight a UNSC deploying forces to implement a decision of the UNGA and UNSC.


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- it's been explained to you how utterly impractical your idea is... you keep your drone status and I'll keep my inalienable right to be myself and not expect to be violated for it.


Your 'inalienable right'  to decide right and wrong in your own interests...I get it.

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How you can throw in some urge to war and all this 'your ideology' nonsense is beyond me -


More back to front and inverted thinking on your part (all at the same time); my "urge" is for the eradication of war as a legal means of dispute settlement between nations.

You hold the insane idea that peace is achieved by war, yet here we are again...at war in Ukraine, with the economy heading south.   

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you clearly are simply incapable of seeing anything you don't want to - Frank has you nailed, except that you're a simple troll in reality trying to stir people up just like ... Lefty.... out of the same stable, are you?  Now don't you forget we're all Fascists here....  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


I'm urging people to think for themselves, to understand war and poverty are obsolete. There is no real scarcity now, only politically determined scarcity. 

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Now - on the subject of those native title rights - nowhere does it say they OWN the property... pretty simple - but you watch that space...


Now...you know my thoughts on "land rights" ...we all need decent affordable housing, and equal access to the commons, not "land rights".


So only the ROGUE states will be able to wage war unhindered on the rest?

I am a benevolent dictator type - not just running on the over-rich mixture of self-interest...
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