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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3980 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #150 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 2:29pm Boris wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 1:06pm: So superior and wonderful Culture https://twitter.com/StudLeeMD/status/1604713698828095491
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Reply #152 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 3:15pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

So only the ROGUE states will be able to wage war unhindered on the rest?

1. None of the nations (7 or 9 largest economies) in a reformed UNSC, defending international policy determined by voting in the combined UNGA and UNSC, will be a "rogue nation", by definition.

And the rest, with security guaranteed by the UNSC in a scenario of general military disarmament, will not be subject to external threat, nor be able to threaten others.

[Internal conflicts need to be sorted out by internal police forces, though a population ought to be able to appeal to the UNSC. eg how to rid the nation of fools who think women shouldn't be educated, or must wear tents so their bodies can't be seen...re-education, or liquidation?

Healthy debate in the UNGA is necessary to deal with these 'cultural' abnormalities].

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I am a benevolent dictator type - not just running on the over-rich mixture of self-interest...

Good to hear it....ready to vote for the UNSC defending the UNUDHR, as the ultimate "benevolent dictator"?

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #153 - Dec 29^th, 2022 at 7:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 3:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 28^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

So only the ROGUE states will be able to wage war unhindered on the rest?

1. None of the nations (7 or 9 largest economies) in a reformed UNSC, defending international policy determined by voting in the combined UNGA and UNSC, will be a "rogue nation", by definition.

How exactly do you imagine this 'reformed UNSC" will enforce this regime on all nations? Again - you know the answer...

And the rest, with security guaranteed by the UNSC in a scenario of general military disarmament, will not be subject to external threat, nor be able to threaten others.

[Internal conflicts need to be sorted out by internal police forces, though a population ought to be able to appeal to the UNSC. eg how to rid the nation of fools who think women shouldn't be educated, or must wear tents so their bodies can't be seen...re-education, or liquidation?

Indeed .... how?

Healthy debate in the UNGA is necessary to deal with these 'cultural' abnormalities].

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I am a benevolent dictator type - not just running on the over-rich mixture of self-interest...

Good to hear it....ready to vote for the UNSC defending the UNUDHR, as the ultimate "benevolent dictator"?

Millions of pounds in gold pass through my hands - yet I am a poor man - for I am a river to my people.... all I ask is a modest stipend and living costs.... I am opposed to politicians being paid so much they have no contact with reality.... average of somewhere around $300k in the hand, plus ALL found amounting to probably another $2.7m = $3m all told - PLUS the opportunity to put their actual taxed earnings into tax havens and eventually pay no tax at all while prospering mightily from their own rule-making.

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Reply #154 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

How exactly do you imagine this 'reformed UNSC" will enforce this regime on all nations? Again - you know the answer...

A 'regime' of no war between nations?

1. a disarmed nation can't attack another militarily disarmed nation ..unlike in a conflict between individuals who can use their fists...

2. nations enjoying sustainable development, guaranteed by the reformed UNSC, have no need, nor "right" to attack another nation.

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Indeed .... how?

By shaming the offending government on the international stage, and in the UNGA etc.

The UNGA in aggregate has a remarkable sense of fairness eg, all nations except two say the US should lift its embargo on Cuba.

"Civilization is a race between education and catastrophe". HG Wells.

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Millions of pounds in gold pass through my hands - yet I am a poor man - etc etc

Irrelevant; and by all accounts you will retire very nicely...

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Reply #155 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 12:25pm

Jesus - lad - how do you propose to go about disarming them all? Wage war on them? HELLO!!

Anyway - nice to see that, on the rules laid down in this grant to the Cheers -it clearly states they do NOT own the land.... not a freehold grant as Perrotet the Half-Witted was quietly talking about a few weeks ago... just watch this space for more as time goes by and people get used to it..... and there are some Abos trying to keep people off 'their' land - which it is not.

Once again for the slow-witted - it is the right to carry out traditional practices there on NON-FREEHOLD LAND - land not owned by ANYONE except the nation via national parks and crown land, so there is no right to claim it is Aboriginal land.

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Reply #156 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:07pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

Jesus - lad - how do you propose to go about disarming them all? Wage war on them? HELLO!!

No, I submit if the world's richest/most advanced nations agree to relinquish the veto in a reformed UNSC, the world's nations will breathe a sigh of relief, unburdened at last from the need to maintain expensive standing militaries.

Note: in 1946, the delegates of the smaller countries present at the founding of the UN begged the conference to resist granting the veto to the UNSC members, US and USSR to be specific.

But that was refused,...and here we are... still at war, more or less continuously since the creation of the UNSC.

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Anyway - nice to see that, on the rules laid down in this grant to the Cheers -it clearly states they do NOT own the land.... not a freehold grant as Perrotet the Half-Witted was quietly talking about a few weeks ago... just watch this space for more as time goes by and people get used to it..... and there are some Abos trying to keep people off 'their' land - which it is not.

Yes... "land rights" are a confused concept, which even clever people like Megan Davis promote.

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Once again for the slow-witted - it is the right to carry out traditional practices there on NON-FREEHOLD LAND - land not owned by ANYONE except the nation via national parks and crown land, so there is no right to claim it is Aboriginal land.

Well... Davis is not "slow-witted", but there you have it.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84501 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #157 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:14pm Never happen .......................
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Reply #158 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Never happen .......................

Ya' never know - even Malcolm Turnbull has changed his mind on the voice, so I heard today.

Malcolm was concerned that the voice in the constitution could divide Oz, and indeed the Uluru statement contained some divisive elements (like "shared sovereignty"), but having seen the present proposal - an advice to parliament (not the government), on matters relating to indigenous disadvantage**, he apparently now sees no problem.

** ok... that's my reading; I will object to a voice which divides the nation.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #159 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Never happen .......................

Ya' never know - even Malcolm Turnbull has changed his mind on the voice, so I heard today.

Malcolm was concerned that the voice in the constitution could divide Oz, and indeed the Uluru statement contained some divisive elements (like "shared sovereignty"), but having seen the present proposal - an advice to parliament (not the government), on matters relating to indigenous disadvantage**, he apparently now sees no problem.

** ok... that's my reading; I will object to a voice which divides the nation.

When was Malcolm ever right? Or Keating? Or Howard? Or Abbott? Or Rudd?

What part of "the government may make alterations from time to time".. do you and Malcolm utterly fail to understand?

No sirree, SpongeBob - I won't be voting for that...... under no circumstances can anyone be offered a paid for inside track to the processes of government.... we've been arguing here for ages to abolish any donations and lobbying, as do all thinking Australians - so why would any thinking person say this idea was just fine?

You wouldn't hand over a national park to a mining company..... you wouldn't give paid by treasury jobs to a gas fracking company to give the government advice.... why would you give these things to one group alone in this country?

What possible benefit could come of it - and remember this is at all levels of government - an entire work for the dole industry at huge and unnecessary cost, and filled, as usual, with all the wrong people for the wrong reasons....

Why not create a fund raiser to fund Abo lobbying to all levels of government? Collect from them for it and see how much you get - same as a fund raiser to actually buy and pay for land they demand as if by some right two hundred+ years after the rules have changed on land ownership ........ see how you go - put up or shut up......

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74512 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #160 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm Crappler still crying? Awesome
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29506 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #161 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:09pm John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm: Crappler still crying? Awesome Blow off tumbleweed
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84501 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #162 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:23pm John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm: Crappler still crying? Awesome You willing to start those fund raisers to buy Abo land and fund their lobbying? I don't see why anyone else should be paying for it....
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74512 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #163 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 8:58pm Gnads wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:09pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm: Crappler still crying? Awesome Blow off tumbleweed You're crying too? Even better
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Reply #164 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 8:59pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Crappler still crying?

Awesome
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You willing to start those fund raisers to buy Abo land and fund their lobbying?

I don't see why anyone else should be paying for it....

You don't pay sheat so stop pretending Roll Eyes

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