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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3985 Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #165 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 9:05pm Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41844	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #166 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 9:10pm Boris wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 9:05pm: Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences. Yeah, sure, Matty, what ever... Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #167 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 9:17pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Crappler still crying?

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You willing to start those fund raisers to buy Abo land and fund their lobbying?

I don't see why anyone else should be paying for it....

You don't pay sheat so stop pretending Roll Eyes

Watchou mean, Sallow Boy? I pay tax every time I buy anything!!

Looks like a Mk IX to me with that vertical stabiliser ....

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Reply #168 - Dec 31^st, 2022 at 2:13pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 7:00pm:

[quote]When was Malcolm ever right? Or Keating? Or Howard? Or Abbott? Or Rudd?

I'll pass on that, my concern is to promote good governance...

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What part of "the government may make alterations from time to time".. do you and Malcolm utterly fail to understand?

The voice will advise Parliament, it's the job of the elected government to 'make alterations'.

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No sirree, SpongeBob - I won't be voting for that...... under no circumstances can anyone be offered a paid for inside track to the processes of government.... we've been arguing here for ages to abolish any donations and lobbying, as do all thinking Australians - so why would any thinking person say this idea was just fine?

Because the voice won't be lobbying the government.

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You wouldn't hand over a national park to a mining company..... you wouldn't give paid by treasury jobs to a gas fracking company to give the government advice.... why would you give these things to one group alone in this country?

What possible benefit could come of it - and remember this is at all levels of government - an entire work for the dole industry at huge and unnecessary cost, and filled, as usual, with all the wrong people for the wrong reasons....

Note : a Job Guarantee is not 'working for the dole'; useful work has value, by definition.

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Why not create a fund raiser to fund Abo lobbying to all levels of government? Collect from them for it and see how much you get - same as a fund raiser to actually buy and pay for land they demand as if by some right two hundred+ years after the rules have changed on land ownership ........ see how you go - put up or shut up......

Government is not a fund raiser, or charity.

As for aboriginal 'land rights", surely that has advanced as far as it can? Presumably private property is addressed in the constitution.

"Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples' rights and interests in land are formally recognised over around 50 per cent of Australia's land mass".

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Reply #169 - Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:59pm

Good governance is not handing over swathes of land under the old colonising empire system of - "I see this so I claim it!" ... which is precisely the same as the old Empires laying claim to countries etc, only as practiced on the ground by Aborigines....

SS - DD.... if anyone can't see that they are blind and stupid.

A Frenchman lands in Saigon - claims the entire country etc for France... fights off all who say NO until finally ousted.

Nugunnawalya lands on top of a hill.... lays claim to all the land he can see.... fights off all who say NO until finally ousted.

Can anyone tell me what is the difference, and why one is now shunned and outlawed and the other is some sacred ritual?

As I said - you would not consider a Chinese or a Japanese or a Uruguayan or a Mexican or an Eskimo landing here and claiming Australia for his country as lawful....... yet far too many of you consider that Ngunnawalya coming along and claiming the land was perfectly all right..... not only that - but people not even his descendants coming back over two hundred years later and claiming it under those same rules as some right, is perfectly lawful and somehow 'right'

Time to grow up and engage brain, Australia. Imperialist Colonisation and Possession is no more.... get used to it .. ALL of you.... and Aboriginal colonisation of tracts of Australia in the past holds no more sand than any bucket with no bottom.

The Old Days are gone - now you BUY your land to own it.

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Reply #170 - Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:26pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 9:59pm:

That's why I passed on Turnbull and others you mentioned, even though Turnbull now supports the voice.

But the issue of good governance remains; I say it needs to engender sustainable prosperity and security for all. What do you say? (Note: not the same as "equality of outcome", but rather, the eradication of poverty).

The rest of you post isn't addressed to me , so I'll pass on it.

Except for the last sentence: people don't need to buy land, they do need affordable housing, whether publicly or privately owned.

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