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Reply #31 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:24am

I guess someone is just going to have to explain to them the severe limitations on their 'native title' and what it actually means in terms of the rights of all others... and that they don't OWN the land - what a noble concession from government - to offer them the right to use national parks etc!!!

Well - buggar me - I never knew they were excluded from use of national parks ........ isn't that nice of Big Guv to step in and solve their problems that never were?

What an absolutely fake superficial 'gift' of what everyone already possesses - the right to use national parks freely within the laws of the land .... what utter nonsense on all sides.... but of course, the idiots making this ridiculous gesture won't be the ones paying the price....

It will be the people attacked for exercising their rights to use national parks, and then probably the Abos in retaliation etc... some might even cop prison for smashing cars and things to terrorise people into staying out of public land not held by any freehold...

BTW - the government department thieves trying to take possession of OUR public lands to give to their pals are employing the dread lawfare already - they know full well that any and every whine from the pals will be funded fully by us, while anyone else has to foot the bill for any court action... what group or individual can afford that? .....absolute insolence of office and an abuse of privilege and must be stamped out NOW!

Drain the swamps and clean out the sewers....

Christ we've got some idiots pretending to run this country... I suppose now they expect us to take advantage of an opportunity to change Australia Day again... give in to another ridiculous demand from a minority of losers...

This stupid form of government must be intent on causing a civil or race war here... totally stupid and no reason for it.

We need a Reset from the top on down in this country....

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #32 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:25pm

Got 'em all on the ropes, Igor - well done, my son... hard facts really stuff 'em, eh? Mothra is in full retreat after the hiding she took earlier last week... careful using that title.... first ye smell land where there be no land... the sky takes on a sickly colour of death.... all the world is quiet as the grave... not a bird or fish in sight ........ and then she rises!!! Maybe Adick - the Great White Wailer!!!

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #33 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:41pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

I must say I think you are on more solid ground here, as opposed to your trying to denigrate blacks because of their horrifying crime and incarceration stats for which White settlement - with its dispossession and discrimination for nearly 2 centuries - is partly responsible.

Note it's not only black on black crime, the result of total community demoralization (after we "smashed their culture" ) and family dysfunction (after generational poverty maintained by 'state assistance ie the dole) since 1800 - it's also black on white crime, as we are seeing in Alice Springs.

To avoid an apartheid division of black and non-black culture, the only viable long term solution is to intervene to close the gap - not maintain it, as all our policies have resulted in so far.

I know your Libertarian brain rebels from the solution (ie, a Job Guarantee), but there you have it.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #34 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

I must say I think you are on more solid ground here, as opposed to your trying to denigrate blacks because of their horrifying crime and incarceration stats for which White settlement - with its dispossession and discrimination for nearly 2 centuries - is partly responsible.

Note it's not only black on black crime, the result of total community demoralization (after we "smashed their culture" ) and family dysfunction (after generational poverty) since 1800 - it's also black on white crime, as we are seeing in Alice Springs.

To avoid an apartheid division of black and non-black culture, the only viable long term solution is to intervene to close the gap - not maintain it, as all our policies have resulted in so far.

Hard facts and figures don't denigrate anyone on the basis of their colour - people who denigrate themselves need no help. The smashing of the culture - a catch-phrase without much guts to it - did not and does not ruin their lifestyle.... their personal choices do that. Try to keep up.

Unlike you - I know EXACTLY what it means to be brought up in an environment where it is considered a virtue to 'toughen young blokes up' by abuse and violence etc... and I know full well the outcomes and how very hard it is to get away from that.... but it can be done - and in the case of these young outlaws etc - MUST be done or they will suffer all their lives.

Our policies, costing billions upon billions, to try to get them out of that lifestyle have met with a stonewall of silence and non co-operation... put simply they refuse to go along with the ideas but are happy to see the cash poured out.... then all they want to do is demand things nobody else has or ever had here... all for free....

Life doesn't work that way... and 'their way', the old Indigenous Imperialist Colonisation approach to grabbing land and claiming it, has been overtaken by history for EVERYONE else in the world but them....... you want land - you buy it like everyone else now - you can't just colonial claim it as yours. You didn't like Captain Cook doing it - so buggar off when you want to do it!

Get your mind right before you slash at me, boy-o!

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #35 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

I must say I think you are on more solid ground here, as opposed to your trying to denigrate blacks because of their horrifying crime and incarceration stats for which White settlement - with its dispossession and discrimination for nearly 2 centuries - is partly responsible.

Note it's not only black on black crime, the result of total community demoralization (after we "smashed their culture" ) and family dysfunction (after generational poverty) since 1800 - it's also black on white crime, as we are seeing in Alice Springs.

To avoid an apartheid division of black and non-black culture, the only viable long term solution is to intervene to close the gap - not maintain it, as all our policies have resulted in so far.

Hard facts and figures don't denigrate anyone on the basis of their colour - people who denigrate themselves need no help. The smashing of the culture - a catch-phrase without much guts to it - did not and does not ruin their lifestyle.... their personal choices do that. Try to keep up.

Your first error right there; obviously people who 'denigrate' ( self-harm) themselves DO need help.

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Unlike you - I know EXACTLY what it means to be brought up in an environment where it is considered a virtue to 'toughen young blokes up' by abuse and violence etc... and I know full well the outcomes and how very hard it is to get away from that.... but it can be done - and in the case of these young outlaws etc - MUST be done or they will suffer all their lives.

all correct there , congrats. Even Jordan Peterson agrees with both of us, ie, the need to toughen kids up so they become socialized, not harming self or others. The question is - HOW.

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Our policies, costing billions upon billions, to try to get them out of that lifestyle have met with a stonewall of silence and non co-operation... put simply they refuse to go along with the ideas but are happy to see the cash poured out.... then all they want to do is demand things nobody else has or ever had here... all for free....

Back to your full-on error mode; drinking one's-self to death on a Broome beach, surrounded by broken grog bottles , or smashing stolen cars in the Alice, isn't 'silent' or 'happy', it's destructive of self and others.

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Life doesn't work that way...

Correct; oppress a people with dispossession and destruction of culture, and they will self harm or fight back.

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and 'their way', the old Indigenous Imperialist Colonisation approach to grabbing land and claiming it, has been overtaken by history for EVERYONE else in the world but them....... you want land - you buy it like everyone else now - you can't just colonial claim it as yours. You didn't like Captain Cook doing it - so buggar off when you want to do it!

Correct, more or less, we all have to live together on this continent.

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Get your mind right before you slash at me, boy-o!

I know your Libertarian brain rebels from the solution (ie, a Job Guarantee), but there you have it.

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #36 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:00pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

What bollocks. It has phuckall to do with "crown" title.

But lets just see you set up somewhere on govt land(not crown) because you think you should be entitled to do so.

I'm not the one crying because I feel entitled to any land other than whats mine Cheesy

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #37 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:08pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

What bollocks. It has phuckall to do with "crown" title.

But lets just see you set up somewhere on govt land(not crown) because you think you should be entitled to do so.

I'm not the one crying because I feel entitled to any land other than whats mine Cheesy

Yeah -the Abos do plenty of that and they still don't own it - NO FREEHOLD... got that? As national park they are obliged to respect the rights of others meaning they must ensure they share it - it is not theirs to dictate terms over.... only the stupid think that.

Put simply for the ring-ins here - Native Title does not confer freehold ownership - the rights have been listed for you... and at the same time national park users of all kinds have rights as well which will be respected.... now that's enough of your trying to obfuscate over the true meaning of 'native title' ... must I repeat it for you until you understand?

Just for you Slow One:-

The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on
non-freehold land
, such as national parks and crown land.

The right to access, move about and traverse.
The right to camp and erect temporary shelters but not to permanently camp or occupy.
The right to hunt and fish for non-commercial purposes.
The right to access and use natural water resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to gather, share and exchange natural resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to conduct and participate in ceremonial, ritual and spiritual activities.
The right to maintain and protect places of importance under traditional laws and customs.
The right to transmit traditional knowledge to members of the native title claim group
The right to hold meetings.

All been explained for you before - the BIG note is they can do all those things on NON-FREEHOLD LAND - meaning NOBODY has freehold title over it. You there yet? they do not OWN the land and you are always welcome to hand yours 'back' to them any time you want... most of us do not wish to do so, and that includes OUR national parks etc held in trust by governments on behalf of the people as a whole.... even the WOPs...

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Reply #38 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:58pm

Bring on the glorious 14th of January - I might have to travel up there and film this one... might even catch the Dodgy Brothers arriving with their spears and nulla-nullas to stage a peaceful counter-protest... maybe a few do-gooders will show up and attempt a speech.... though I doubt it ... when it comes down to real things they are all wind and piss.....

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Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

What bollocks. It has phuckall to do with "crown" title.

But lets just see you set up somewhere on govt land(not crown) because you think you should be entitled to do so.

I'm not the one crying because I feel entitled to any land other than whats mine Cheesy

Yeah -the Abos do plenty of that and they still don't own it - NO FREEHOLD... got that? As national park they are obliged to respect the rights of others meaning they must ensure they share it - it is not theirs to dictate terms over.... only the stupid think that.

Put simply for the ring-ins here - Native Title does not confer freehold ownership - the rights have been listed for you... and at the same time national park users of all kinds have rights as well which will be respected.... now that's enough of your trying to obfuscate over the true meaning of 'native title' ... must I repeat it for you until you understand?

Just for you Slow One:-

The decision means Widjabul Wia-bal traditional owners now have the rights to carry out a number of cultural activities on
non-freehold land
, such as national parks and crown land.

The right to access, move about and traverse.
The right to camp and erect temporary shelters but not to permanently camp or occupy.
The right to hunt and fish for non-commercial purposes.
The right to access and use natural water resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to gather, share and exchange natural resources for non-commercial purposes.
The right to conduct and participate in ceremonial, ritual and spiritual activities.
The right to maintain and protect places of importance under traditional laws and customs.
The right to transmit traditional knowledge to members of the native title claim group
The right to hold meetings.

All been explained for you before - the BIG note is they can do all those things on NON-FREEHOLD LAND - meaning NOBODY has freehold title over it. You there yet? they do not OWN the land and you are always welcome to hand yours 'back' to them any time you want... most of us do not wish to do so, and that includes OUR national parks etc held in trust by governments on behalf of the people as a whole.... even the WOPs...

Not just the Abos, you and fd have been doing enough crying for several nations. And no matter how much you bullshit to yourself, national parks will never be yours Roll Eyes

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84476 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people Reply #40 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:18pm Held in trust by government on behalf of ALL the people ... nobody OWNS therm, but in a sense they belong to all of us ... Easy as pie... and never forget that governments are sworn to uphold and protect the common good of all equally..... failure means the scaffold....
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Reply #42 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 9:46am

Boris wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 6:55am:

All Australians are equal under the law

Hasn't been that way since the advent of the feminists who started the rot and the downhill greasy slide with all this emotional bullshit, starting from 'feeling intimidated in the workplace' - what a hoot that was....now look at the joint?

We've got sheilas rampaging all the way to the bank on purported feelings and flimsy allegations, devastated families and homes and economy, shattered men and their children by the millions, disintegrated social values, freaks screaming at and assaulting women in public toilets and making a spectacle of themselves as some right, a totally falsified 'education' system run by women, a public service the same, and increasingly the political and business arenas, immigrants getting on the bandwagon and crying about being oppressed when they never had it so good including preferential treatment in jobs and education.... and now this ultimate division of the nation into smaller and smaller parcels of increasingly helpless and powerless groups and the direct theft of land by a shadowy government of unelected public servants acting on another set of purported 'feelings' to shut down what were once national parks held for all.

Stalin's Russia etc couldn't have been worse for the ordinary person simply trying to get a decent life and enjoy a little luxury in return for hard work - against these enormous odds.... no wonder there's so much crime and so much cheating and lying going on to get money .....

Do I blame the feminists for starting the rot? You bet I do .... and every other second rate group of losers who jumped on the bandwagon and rode it to the max.... Christ - we've got a sheila in a man's body for PM ... wish he'd just come out....

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Re: Native title granted to Widjabul Wia-bal people
Reply #43 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 9:50am

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 4:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 2:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Nah - you beat everyone...

So now a call for a proper reading of the 'title' and a call for sharing equally and fairly AS REQUIRED is 'bigotry'?

Sorry, son - but that won't change the reality - they do not own the land outright regardless of how they carry on.... they can use it and share it .. but then - nobody was stopping them doing their cultural practices at any time... like everyone else - they were already free to do that, but now - they'll try to distort the meaning of 'right to cultural practices' into total ownership, which it is not.

Only a blind man or a total idiot could not see that. Nothing but trouble - bad moon on the rise again...

native title isn't about sharing equally you moron

I phukkin know that...... & as an Australian you're OK with that why?

Let me guess, you think Crown title is about equality? Grin

What bollocks. It has phuckall to do with "crown" title.

But lets just see you set up somewhere on govt land(not crown) because you think you should be entitled to do so.

I'm not the one crying because I feel entitled to any land other than whats mine Cheesy

Neither do I. You've had too much salt air ... it's crystalising between your ears.

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Reply #44 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:30am

I've paid for my land several times over...... now .................. how much am I bid for this resumed native title land?

Why should a person be entitled to any form of ownership without following the rules? They could form co-ops in that allegedly inimitable Aboriginal way of the group, and buy land for themselves.... just like everyone else... but claim the country? They're 3% of the population and they can't claim 97% pf the land mass.

It doesn't work that way any more in the old colonialist imperialist manner where someone could just lay claim to it by walking onto it. Nowhere else in the world is that now acceptable ..... you can't go to any country on this earth and lay claim to it in that way.... it is outlawed by the international community, so why is it allowed here for some - a small group of malcontents?

Bring on the Glorious 14th Of January....... think I'll head up there and film it.... will the Cheers attack the protest or smash cars etc? If they do will the authorities do anything? You can bet the MSM won't show anything bad done by the cheers.. poor little victims....

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