MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 28^th, 2022 at 5:54pm:


May be you ought to read more about middle east history.  The seeds of conflict began way before WW2, and official formation of Israel.   The British Empire and its allies were the dominant forces at the time of end of WW1, which laid the basic frame work towards Israel of today.  This is history.

If you want to debate, state your facts and participate in a civilized manner.   Adding what you think my racial make up is without knowing me in person just make you look desperate.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 10:50am:


No you need to read from WW1, and the period just after break up of the Ottoman Empire. 

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 10:56am:

No. That is a red herring. Had Jewish migration remained low after WW2, Arabs would not have reacted as they did.

The British could not prevent or deter mass Jewish migration into Palestine from 1945 to 1948 and were morally hamstrung by the genocide of European Jews during WW2 - the cause and blame for which Jewish groups in the US and across the world laid squarely at the feet of all Christo-western nations.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 12:36pm:

Don't forget to squeeze in William the Conquerer and Genghis Khan into the mix.

The only city in Palestine that was of great interest and concern to Arabs was Jerusalem.

The rest of Palestine was left as a wasteland.

“The further we went the hotter the sun got, and the more rocky and bare, repulsive and dreary the landscape became…There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. Mark Twain - noting the desolation of Palestine during his visit there in 1867.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 29^th, 2022 at 4:00pm:

You're assuming Twain never saw a desert in the US, to be shocked by one in the middle east. Twain was referring to the holy land outside of Jerusalem being a wasteland inhabited by almost no one.

Twain was comparing descriptions of Judea and Galilee, as written by the likes of Josephus, to what he saw on his visit.

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2022 at 7:55am:


Sorry old boy, you're the failure. You fail to understand that Israel cannot be a democracy for all its citizens. It can be a democracy* for Jews only. This can be fixed with a two-state solution but the religious fanatics who control Israel will never let that happen.

Uri Avnery:  According to the rabbis all of the Holy Land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River belongs solely to the Jews, and giving up even an inch of it is a mortal sin, punishable by death. For this sin, Yitzhak Rabin was executed by the student of a religious university, a former settler.  - Uri Avnery, The Jewish Ayatollahs


* It's not even a democracy for Jews.

Uri Avnery:  Unlike modern Christianity, but very much like Islam, the Jewish religion is not just a matter between Man and God, but also a matter between Man and Man. It does not live in a quiet corner of public life. Religious law encompasses all aspects of public and private life. Therefore, for a pious Jew – or Muslim – the European idea of separation between state and religion is anathema.  The Jewish Halakha, like the Islamic Shari’a, regulates every single aspect of life. Whenever Jewish law clashes with Israeli law, which one should prevail? Religious fanatics in Israel insist that religious law stands above the secular law (as in several Arab counties), and that the state courts have no jurisdiction over the clerics in matters that concern religion (as in Iran). When the Supreme Court ruled otherwise, a most respected Orthodox rabbi easily mobilized a hundred thousand protesters in Jerusalem. The entire religious community, with all its diverse factions, now belongs to the rightist, ultra-nationalist camp. Transforming Israel into a Halakha state means castrating the democratic system and turning Israel into a second Iran governed by Jewish ayatollahs. - Uri Avnery, The Jewish Ayatollahs


Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman ... wants Torah law, or in other words, he wants Israel to be a country governed by Jewish religious law, halakha. In any event, Israel is already a semi-theocracy. The Israelis who were frightened by the minister's remarks and who love viewing their country as liberal, Western and secular are forgetting that our life here is more religious, traditional and halakhic than we are prepared to admit... Let's admit that we live in a country with many religious and halakhic attributes. Let's remove the concocted secularist guise with which we have wrapped ourselves. Shocked by Neeman's remarks? They are not so far removed from the reality of our lives. Israel is not what you thought. It's definitely not what we try to present to ourselves and the rest of the world.

https://www.haaretz.com/2009-12-10/ty-article/gideon-levy-lets-face-the-facts-is...


Israel is slowly but inexorably turning into a conservative theocracy ... Israel is no democracy... it has become less and less democratic with regard to the rights of its Jewish population.... Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman attacked groups that seek to uphold civil liberties in Israel, for Jews as well as for Arabs, as “collaborators in terror.”

https://forward.com/opinion/147521/israel-turning-into-theocracy/


One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.

- Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate


Quote:


Already told you, see above re the Bedouin and the many discriminatory laws.

And:


The Archbishop of New York announces that any Catholic who rents out an apartment to a Jew commits a mortal sin and runs the risk of excommunication.

A protestant priest in Berlin decrees that a Christian who employs a Jew will be banished from his parish.

Impossible? Indeed. Except in Israel – in reverse, of course.

The rabbi of Safed, a government employee, has decreed that it is strictly forbidden to let apartments to Arabs, including the Arab students at the local medical school. Twenty other town rabbis, whose salaries are paid by the taxpayers, mostly secular, including Arab citizens, have publicly supported this edict.

The same goes for another group of rabbis, who prohibited employing Goyim.

(In ancient Hebrew, “Goy” just meant a people, any people. In the Bible, the Israelites were called a “holy Goy”. But in the last centuries, the term has come to mean non-Jews, with a decidedly derogatory undertone.)

- Uri Avnery, The Jewish Ayatollahs

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 6:12am:

You should try a new think.

All European nations for the last 2000 years have had periods of pogroms, mass murders, mass expulsions and extreme prejudice towards Jews.

Incited largely by Papal edicts and, later, by protestant reformers (like Martin Luther, no less), Christo-Europeans have spent millennia on and off indulging in orgies of murder sprees against Jews.

The Nazis were only the last in a very long line of Christo-western peoples that stretches back to the days of the Roman Empire who have dealt to Jewish people.