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Re: Zionism
Reply #1020 - Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:06pm

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

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Fact: a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient, and it is forbidden to heal a Gentile even for payment, according to Maimonides, himself a renowned physician.

FACT; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a ZIONIST.

FACT; If Maimonides chose, to love only those who were Jews, ....then that would prove, that Maimonides had no knowledge of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and His ways.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1665771086/0#0
Quote:

Principle tenets of the religion of the Bible....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:18
....thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

.

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them;
then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

In the Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture], the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, said, THAT HIS OWN PEOPLE, became to Him as infidels - ignoring Gods commandments, and following their own ways, AND DOING WHAT WAS EVIL, in God's sight.
[....just like we, 'modern' nations, today.]

Jeremiah 7:16
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:13
For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1021 - Dec 5^th, 2023 at 7:55pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

......
Fact: a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient, and it is forbidden to heal a Gentile even for payment, according to Maimonides, himself a renowned physician.

FACT; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a ZIONIST.

FACT; If Maimonides chose, to love only those who were Jews, ....then that would prove, that Maimonides had no knowledge of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and His ways.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1665771086/0#0
Quote:

Principle tenets of the religion of the Bible....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:18
....thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

.

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them;
then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

In the Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture], the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, said, THAT HIS OWN PEOPLE, became to Him as infidels - ignoring Gods commandments, and following their own ways, AND DOING WHAT WAS EVIL, in God's sight.
[....just like we, 'modern' nations, today.]

Jeremiah 7:16
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:13
For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

"The whole doctrine – the ban on saving a Gentile's life or healing him, and the suspension of this ban in cases where there is fear of hostility – is repeated (virtually verbatim) by other major authorities, including the 14th century Arba'ah Turirn and Karo's Beyt Yosef and Shulhan 'Arukh. Beyt Yosef adds, quoting Maimonides: 'And it is permissible to try out a drug on a heathen, if this serves a purpose'; and this is repeated also by the famous R. Moses Isserles. The consensus of Halakhic authorities is that the term 'Gentiles' in the above doctrine refers to all non-Jews."

- - Professor Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, Chapter Five: The Laws Against Non-Jews

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1022 - Dec 6^th, 2023 at 12:24am

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 5^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

......
Fact: a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient, and it is forbidden to heal a Gentile even for payment, according to Maimonides, himself a renowned physician.

FACT; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a ZIONIST.

FACT; If Maimonides chose, to love only those who were Jews, ....then that would prove, that Maimonides had no knowledge of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and His ways.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1665771086/0#0
Quote:

Principle tenets of the religion of the Bible....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:18
....thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

.

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them;
then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

In the Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture], the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, said, THAT HIS OWN PEOPLE, became to Him as infidels - ignoring Gods commandments, and following their own ways, AND DOING WHAT WAS EVIL, in God's sight.
[....just like we, 'modern' nations, today.]

Jeremiah 7:16
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:13
For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

"The whole doctrine – the ban on saving a Gentile's life or healing him, and the suspension of this ban in cases where there is fear of hostility – is repeated (virtually verbatim) by other major authorities, including the 14th century Arba'ah Turirn and Karo's Beyt Yosef and Shulhan 'Arukh. Beyt Yosef adds, quoting Maimonides: 'And it is permissible to try out a drug on a heathen, if this serves a purpose'; and this is repeated also by the famous R. Moses Isserles. The consensus of Halakhic authorities is that the term 'Gentiles' in the above doctrine refers to all non-Jews."

- - Professor Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, Chapter Five: The Laws Against Non-Jews

wombat,

That, is an account of 'blind' men, of 'Jewish' IMPERSONATORS, in the act of choosing to walk in their own ways, abrogating their own connection, to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those 'blind' persons chose, to abrogate, to discard, their own religion.

Deuteronomy 30:16
....I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1023 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 8:55pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2023 at 12:24am:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 5^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

......
Fact: a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient, and it is forbidden to heal a Gentile even for payment, according to Maimonides, himself a renowned physician.

FACT; The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is a ZIONIST.

FACT; If Maimonides chose, to love only those who were Jews, ....then that would prove, that Maimonides had no knowledge of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, and His ways.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1665771086/0#0
Quote:

Principle tenets of the religion of the Bible....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:18
....thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

.

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them;
then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

In the Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture], the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, said, THAT HIS OWN PEOPLE, became to Him as infidels - ignoring Gods commandments, and following their own ways, AND DOING WHAT WAS EVIL, in God's sight.
[....just like we, 'modern' nations, today.]

Jeremiah 7:16
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:13
For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

"The whole doctrine – the ban on saving a Gentile's life or healing him, and the suspension of this ban in cases where there is fear of hostility – is repeated (virtually verbatim) by other major authorities, including the 14th century Arba'ah Turirn and Karo's Beyt Yosef and Shulhan 'Arukh. Beyt Yosef adds, quoting Maimonides: 'And it is permissible to try out a drug on a heathen, if this serves a purpose'; and this is repeated also by the famous R. Moses Isserles. The consensus of Halakhic authorities is that the term 'Gentiles' in the above doctrine refers to all non-Jews."

- - Professor Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, Chapter Five: The Laws Against Non-Jews

wombat,

That, is an account of 'blind' men, of 'Jewish' IMPERSONATORS, in the act of choosing to walk in their own ways, abrogating their own connection, to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those 'blind' persons chose, to abrogate, to discard, their own religion.

Yet that same attitude, the same hatred of Gentiles, can be seen again and again in the Talmud.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1024 - Dec 9^th, 2023 at 11:06pm

@ Reply #1023,

Quote:

Talmud

The Talmud........is the central text of
>> Rabbinic Judaism <<
and the >> primary source of << Jewish religious law (halakha) and Jewish theology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
[>> xyz << my emphasis]

rabbi = =
1 a Jewish scholar or teacher, especially of >> Jewish law <<.
2 a Jewish religious leader.

wombat,
You state......

Quote:

Yet that same attitude, >> the same hatred of Gentiles, << can be seen again and again in the Talmud.

Really ?

THAT IS BECAUSE ........that hatred, comes from the very same spirit that inspired the Koran.

And not from the spirit of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
a spirit, which inspired the laws of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

.

The Talmud was inspired, and written, by persons [by 'Jewish' IMPERSONATORS],
>> who chose to walk in their own ways, << abrogating their own connection,
to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
BECAUSE, >> THEY HAD CHOSEN << TO ABROGATE HIS LAWS.

abrogate = = formal repeal or do away with (a law or agreement).

The Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture] --- >

Jeremiah 9:13
And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, >> which their fathers taught them: <<

Jeremiah 9:25
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

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TWO DIFFERENT SPIRITS [GODS].......

THIS IS ......the law of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
TOWARDS STRANGERS, DISBELIEVERS.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1665771086/0#0
Quote:

Principle tenets of the religion of the Bible....

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:18
....thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

.

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them;
then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

.

TWO DIFFERENT SPIRITS [GODS].......

NOT, NOT, NOT, ....the law of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, TOWARDS STRANGERS, DISBELIEVERS. >>>>>

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

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WWW search.....
allah is another god

QUESTION;
If Allah and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, are the same SPIRIT,
WHY DO THEY BOTH, HAVE SUCH DIFFERING LAWS ?

Did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob get a personality transplant, after he met Mohammed in a cave ?

One God says......
"fight and oppress disbelievers"

And another [supposedly the same] God says......
"DO NOT.....fight and oppress disbelievers"

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

"To the law and to the testimony" i.e. to God's WORD, to the LAW and the [testimony] of the prophets.
".... if they speak not according to this word."

1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1025 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 2:23am

Yadda said....

Quote:

The Law and the Prophets [O.T. scripture] --- >

Jeremiah 9:13
And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, >> which their fathers taught them: <<

The man Jesus, accused the Jewish leaders of his day, of seeking to kill him.

And why ?

Because they accused Jesus, of contradicting THEIR laws. [Talmud]

Jesus accused them, of hating the truth [about themselves].

John 8:37
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

John 8:39
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 >> But now ye seek to kill me, << a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 15:1
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1026 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 1:43pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 2:23am:

John 8:37
I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Yes.... Jesus who said "love God and love one-another", and "turn the other cheek" (to your enemy); the polar opposite of "kill them all, man, woman, child, suckling and animals" I Samuel 15 (1 -3) ...the "Words of the Lord" according to the "prophet" Samuel.

Which is why Marcion rejected the Old Testament deity outright as an evil spirit of this world.

And indeed Muhammud followed this evil spirit of ancient israel (a "jealous god") ; hence the punishment for unbelief listed in the Koran.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1027 - Dec 10^th, 2023 at 11:43pm

@ Reply #1026,

Yes, God our creator, is our judge [...and not only our sometime benefactor].

But, He is God, and we are men.

Describing God...
Job 9:32
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Job understands, that in any 'debate' [that any man has] with God, there is no 'daysman' [think, an outside referee/judge] to adjudicate between the parties.

God makes it clear, that His authority, is [always] absolute.

God...
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

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Better [for a much weaker party] to not enter into a covenant with God,
....than to enter into a covenant [to 'embrace' a promise] with God, and then to later, flagrantly break the conditions of your agreement. !!

covenant = = a solemn agreement. an agreement held to be the basis of a relationship of commitment with God.

Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Deuteronomy 11:26
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deuteronomy 30:1
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

In Deuteronomy 30:1-3 God is talking about [our] REPENTANCE.

But scorners, do not repent !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1028 - Dec 24^th, 2023 at 8:35pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 6^th, 2023 at 12:24am:

wombat,

That, is an account of 'blind' men, of 'Jewish' IMPERSONATORS, in the act of choosing to walk in their own ways, abrogating their own connection, to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those 'blind' persons chose, to abrogate, to discard, their own religion.

Max Igan opens with an explanation of why the Old Testament Israelites were not Jews:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WlVVld4DDT8m/

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #1029 - Dec 24^th, 2023 at 10:07pm

Even Gandhi can make a simple mistake - Palestinians are not all Arabs by any stretch of the imagination.... guess who the rest were and are... except they changed the name ... now there is no name 'Palestine' as assigned at the birth of the artificial divisions of that region... and the area self-identifies as Israel .... good Arabs welcome....

I will follow in the footsteps of the Mahatma ... those Hamas terrorists have families.... until the terrorists and their families are removed and peace is restored to Gaza I will not eat chicken or pork ...

Merry Christmas.... we respect your culture - you respect ours... Shocked

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Reply #1030 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 10:26am

Yadda wrote on Dec 10^th, 2023 at 11:43pm:

@ Reply #1026,

Yes, God our creator, is our judge [...and not only our sometime benefactor].

But, He is God, and we are men.

the God, who - according to Jesus - wants us to love Him and one-another,

or

the God who - according to Samuel - said: "slaughter them all, man. woman, child, suckling...."

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Describing God...
Job 9:32
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

Job understands, that in any 'debate' [that any man has] with God, there is no 'daysman' [think, an outside referee/judge] to adjudicate between the parties.

God makes it clear, that His authority, is [always] absolute.

You are still ignoring scripture which is inconvient for you to address. The Bible is a schizophrenic mess , Marcion's NT would have made a much better bible to address the Roman world and beyond.

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God...
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

I rest my case....

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Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

All self-serving nonsense from a warrior king ( Moses) dedicated to ensuring the survival of his own tribe in a world where might is right.

But the people of the '7 nations mightier than thou' - who Moses said god planned to eradicate - had their own beliefs and customs, of course.

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In Deuteronomy 30:1-3 God is talking about [our] REPENTANCE.

But scorners, do not repent !

The hideous creation of Moses' id needs to be swept aside into the dustbin of history.

Jesus ushered in a new age.

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Reply #1031 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:00am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 24^th, 2023 at 10:07pm:

Even Gandhi can make a simple mistake - Palestinians are not all Arabs by any stretch of the imagination....

You confused again?

Gandhi wanted a united India, with Muslims and Hindus tolerating one-anothers' beliefs, as they had done under British rule for 2 centuries ( and ealier). [Gandhi who said of the British: "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians.....].

Of course, Gandhi would have preferred that the Mufti of Jerusalem welcomed Jews into Jerusalem - they all being "Peoples of the Book"; and Gandhi would have preferred the free entry of Jews into Palestine, rather than the UN's ill-managed Palestine partition plan, seeing the problems which would arise as they did with the partition of India.

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guess who the rest were and are... except they changed the name ... now there is no name 'Palestine' as assigned at the birth of the artificial divisions of that region... and the area self-identifies as Israel .... good Arabs welcome....

More confusion, or deliberate obfuscation; Palestine has been occupied by Jews, Romans, Christians (Byzantines and later, Crusaders), and lastly, Muslims since the 7th century.
Palestine does NOT "self-identify" as Israel, (that's obvious nonsese, typical from you) - Israel which had long since ceased to exist when Muslims conquered the Byzantine territory known as Palestine.

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I will follow in the footsteps of the Mahatma ...

ROTFL....Gandhi was the opposite to the usual lizard brain RW ideilogue defending Israel's right to exist while snuffing out Palestine.

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those Hamas terrorists have families.... until the terrorists and their families are removed and peace is restored to Gaza I will not eat chicken or pork ...

Hamal or Kosher?

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Merry Christmas.... we respect your culture - you respect ours... Shocked

"Respect" ...with the right to slaughter your children....

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1032 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:32am

hi great divide.

the powerful do what they want

the powerless endure what they must

if the palestinians want power then

go to school
upskill
develop an economy
become rich
invest in a modern military
and then you can dictate terms

go the saudi route or the UAE route

being a bunch of sad sack cry babies wont get you anywhere.

at the moment , the sole purpose of the palestinians is to provide a convenient victim group for leftie intellectuals to virtue signal.

surely you want your life to hold more meaning then to allow people like gweggy and matty fisk to get a little ego boost from .

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Reply #1033 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:41am

You're off track again... nothing new...

"Gandhi wanted a united India, with Muslims and Hindus tolerating one-anothers' beliefs"

We can see how that worked out...

Now - what has that to do with the reality that not all Palestinians are Arabs... if Gandhi wanted multi-cultural Gaza, why support one side among many? Arabia for the Arabs .....that'd be like saying 'Australia belongs to the Aborigines as surely as England belongs to every other pharken race on Earth'..... Africa for The Africans (leave 'em to it - look how that turns out every time you turn around) ... totally outdated in the modern day and age....

Childish parochialism... why, Ike, whatever happened to your fabled United Nations to run it all.... so it's not Gaza for the Arabs only - it's the United Nations for Gaza and everywhere else...

You're such a terrific yardler you should move to Switzerland.....

Even Gandhi could make mistakes....

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Reply #1034 - Dec 29^th, 2023 at 2:15pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 29^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

You're off track again... nothing new...

"Gandhi wanted a united India, with Muslims and Hindus tolerating one-anothers' beliefs"

We can see how that worked out...

Because the Brits decided to partition India,
because....
"Rather, a complex interplay of factors, including rising communal tensions in the 1930s, political choices made by elites at both national and provincial levels, the impact of the Second World War and the widespread breakdown of law and order following the 'Great Calcutta Killing' in 1946 are important to consider as ...

"elite" fools......resulting in the greatest mass murder seen in India for centuries.

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Now - what has that to do with the reality that not all Palestinians are Arabs...

The UN should not have partioned Palestine, it should have guaranteed security in mosques, churches and synogues.

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...if Gandhi wanted multi-cultural Gaza,

Gandhi wanted multicultural India, we don't know his views on Gaza, except by extrapolation....

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why support one side among many?

Indeed.

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Arabia for the Arabs .....that'd be like saying 'Australia belongs to the Aborigines as surely as England belongs to every other pharken race on Earth'

Actually Jews have lived in Arabia for 3 thousand years.

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..... Africa for The Africans (leave 'em to it - look how that turns out every time you turn around) ... totally outdated in the modern day and age....

The sad outcome of egregious European colonialism and its mismanaged withdrawal, followed by mismagement under the aegis of the US centered IMF ...Africans nations are defaulting on mass now, under IMF rules.

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Childish parochialism... why, Ike, whatever happened to your fabled United Nations to run it all.... so it's not Gaza for the Arabs only - it's the United Nations for Gaza and everywhere else...

O - Confused One; the UNUDHR is yet to be implemented, when the IMF (Instant Misery Fund) is finally reformed.

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You're such a terrific yardler you should move to Switzerland.....

Nice country, but I'm comfortable here.

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Even Gandhi could make mistakes....

Like I noted above, elite British imperialists f**ked up, not Gandhi.

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