Frank wrote on Jan 5
th, 2024 at 4:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5
th, 2024 at 1:25pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 5
th, 2024 at 7:44am:
There was NO country there
Incorrect; the country in question was delineated by the
Bristish Palestine Mandate, after WW1 (following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire).
Quote:The Palestinians do not want any Jewish state in Judea.
Correct .....so the UNSC will be needed to end the war.
Quote:But after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire it was left to the British and the French to establish some order in the remnant territories of the Ottomans. Perhaps the creation of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq should also be questioned.
Maybe, but those nations aren't at war with oneanother.
The British Mandate was not a country.
It was an area of land claimed by Palestinians ie Muslims who had lived there since the 7th century Arab conquest.
Quote:There will be no peace until the Arabs accept Israel's right to exist.
Moderate Arabs, including many Arab states, already accept Israel's right to exist, even if only because they have been FORCED to accept it (they being the weaker party).
The US could guarantee Israel's security if it wanted to, by signing agreements with all the moderate Muslim entities, and outlining the consequences of breaking those agreements (by extremists).
Quote:Lebanon, Syria, Iraq are at war with themselves, internally. The Palestinians were at war with the Jordanians until they were unceremoniously booted out.
Yes; civil wars which are partly the consequences of British and then US imperialism ("Crusaders") rampaging though the Islamic ME...
Quote:There is no Palestinian 'nation'.
Stop playing dumb (or is it natural for you...); Palestine has yet to be created as a full-fledged member of the UN - see UN res 242 re the land for the proposed nation in question.
Quote:When they are given the opportunity to make themselves into one they invariablt choose to wage jihad instead. They do not deserve to be given a country, they woud simply turn it into a terrorist base. They have proven time and again that they are not interested in anything else. No humdrum nation building and civic development for them when they can be martyrs for Allah.
Propaganda on behalf of "greater Israel".
Signed agreements can be enforced, as noted above.
Quote:They were not revolting when they were occupied by the Ottomans, the Egyptians and the Jordanians. Their problem is not occupation but the presence of Jews.
Wrong, you are conflating
occupation with
sovereignty, which belonged to the Ottomans before the British Mandate was created.
And just as Christian Europe is now starting to reject Muslim immigration, Muslim Palestine rejects the influx of Judaism.
Quote: Even when the Jews leave them to build a viable society, as in 2005 in Gaza, they build rockets and tunnels. Even in the WB, they are riven by Islamic fractiousness. Same in Lebanon.
A blinkered view: extremism begets extremism which is why peacemaker Rabin was murdered by a Jew, thereby wrecking the possibility of a settlement at that time.
And Gaza was never a viable state, it was an open air prison.
Quote:Islamic State is bombing Iran, Saudis are bombing Yemenis, Syrians were massacring each other for years. Nobody gives a shite. "Muslims doing Allah's work, following Mohammed's example" innit.
Tarring the good with the bad...
Quote:But when Israel hits back at the bloody barbarians, dickos like you across the world sudddenly pout and tut tut and wag their fingers about Zionism.
Well, let's see: 1200 Israelis murdered by Hamas on Oct 7th, since then 22,000 Palestinians (inc. 15,000 women and children) murdered by the IDF.
You have a problem on the world stage...
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