Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2024 at 10:04pm:


You ignored my #1054. - the usual trick of Conservatives when facts refute their stance; so now you are not arguing "land",  but a "functioning state". 

The Jews had a "functioning state" from c.1100BC to around 900BC when the Assyrian empire conquered Northern Israel. That's it. Throughout history they have been subject to the sovereignty of successive world empires.

And a "functional state" under Netanyahu, who wants to contain the powers of the highest court?  ROTFL.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

The Jews have had a functioning state since the declaration of Israel.

The Palestinians could have had a functioning state from exactly the same e day.  They chose endless  wars up their own Khyber. Madness. They can't be trusted.

Two state solution proposed by the UN in 1947, accepted by the Jews, rejected by the Muslims.
The Muslims rejected the subsequent five of offers of Palestinian statehood. They do not want two states. They want a single Muslim state, from the river to the sea.

'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" [56] acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites."

'Biblical verses exhorting to genocide of the Midianites [57] were solemnly quoted by an important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre...

57. Numbers 31:13-20; note in particular verse 17: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him." '

And:

"There was the very influential sociologist and Biblical scholar, Yehezkiel Kaufman, an advocate of genocide on the model of the Book of Joshua, the idealist philosopher Hugo Shmuel Bergman, who as far back as 1914-15 advocated the expulsion of all Palestinians to Iraq, and many others."  -  Prof. Shahak, Chapter 2.  Prejudice and Prevarication

And there are many more, These verses were favorites of Rabbi Meir Kahane:

I Samuel 15:

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

18 And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; wage war against them until you have wiped them out.’


Numbers 33:50-53:

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, 51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; 52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places: 53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

"the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites"

Rabbi Israel Hess - Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah

'On February 26, 1980, Bat Kol, the student publication of Bar-Ilan University, published an article by Hess titled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" (also translated as "The Mitzvah of Genocide in the Torah") in which, according to Karen Armstrong, he argued that the Palestinians "deserved the same fate as the Amalekites".[1][2] The article is an explanation of the commandment in Deuteronomy 25:17 to "obliterate the memory of Amalek".[2] According to Eric Yoffie, Hess wrote that this "requires the killing of babes and sucklings, and forbids the showing of mercy".[2] According to David Hirst, Hess wrote that "the day will come when we shall all be called upon to wage this war for the annihilation of Amalek" in order to ensure "racial purity" and because of "the antagonism between Israel and Amalek as an expression of the antagonism between light and darkness, the pure and the unclean".[3]

'In 2004, Shulamit Aloni, writing in Haaretz, said of Hess' article, "It's no coincidence that in the settlements the Palestinians are called 'Amalek', and the intention is obvious to everyone".[4] '

- Israel Hess, Wikipedia

"the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites"

Two state solution proposed by the UN in 1947, accepted by the Jews, rejected by the Muslims.

The Muslims rejected the subsequent five of offers of Palestinian statehood. They do not want two states. They want a single Muslim state, from the river to the sea.

Millions of people were shifted and relocated at the end of the war