Frank wrote on Jan 18
th, 2024 at 8:57am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 13
th, 2024 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 12
th, 2024 at 2:34pm:
Two state solution proposed by the UN in 1947, accepted by the Jews, rejected by the Muslims.
Of course; NO-ONE would accept someone else claiming
their land "out of the blue" - as Ben Gurion plainly recognized.
And the ability of the UN to lawfully partition Palestine was doubted by some in legal circles.
Quote:The Muslims rejected the subsequent five of offers of Palestinian statehood. They do not want two states. They want a single Muslim state, from the river to the sea.
Right, but the UN wants 2 states ......blocked by the US.
Quote:Millions of people were shifted and relocated at the end of the war, all but one people accepted the new arrangements and got on with their lives, from Germany to India. All but the Muslim Palestinians.
See above; the Palestinians were the bunnies whose land was being expropriated.
"Their land" - how many times did the 'Palestinians' revolt against Roman, Muslim Arab, Ottoman rule since 70 AD? How many times did they establish and run their own state.
Zero.
The British Palestine Mandate was Muslim Land. That's the cause of the present conflict, after the UN voted to partition the land.
Quote:They never minded being ruled by other, as long as it's not the Jews.
Erroneous analysis (as usual).
The Muslims in Palestine
had to accept the British Mandate era, after the collapse of the Ottoman empire.
Innitially they refused to accept the UN-sponsored partition of Palestine.
But after years of defeat, they were ready to accept the partition.
Has Israel ever been ready? You ignore wombat's posts outlining Palestinian efforts (Oslo Accords. etc) to achieve a 2-state solution in the 80s, based on UN res 181 and 242.
Israel wasn't interested.
[And if you want to go back to Roman times:
https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat55/sub351/entry-5716.htmlThe Second Jewish Revolt lasted for four years from A.D. 132 and 135 at a great loss. The Jews were ultimately defeated by Hadrian in the only serious war he faced while he served as the Roman Emperor. In A.D. 135, Hadrian banished the Jews from Jerusalem and Palestine, razed Jerusalem, and rebuilt the city as Aelia Capitolina (the basis of today's Old City) with pagan shrines and a statue of Jupiter placed over the site of Jesus's crucifixion.And Jupiter was replaced by Christ in the Byzantine era - until ousted by Allah in the 7th century.....
It wasn't until the late British Mandate era when Jews were once again numerous in Palestine.
After the destruction of the Jewish temple in A.D. 70 and the banishment of the Jews from Jerusalem in A.D. 135 , Jews began dispersing around the world. This was the beginning of the Diaspora. Many Jews lived in isolated groups that often had little or no contact with other Jewish groups. The groups were held together by religious tradition and by faith in a common calling and destiny.And aided and abetted by the Balfour Declaration, and subsequent British withdrawal from the Mandate after WW2, the rest is history.
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