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I have found Zionism very deceitful

- Edwin M. Wright, General staff G-2 Middle East specialist, Washington, 1945-46; Bureau Near East-South Asian-African Affairs Department of State, since 1946, country specialist 1946-47, advisor U.N. affairs, 1947-50, advisor on intelligence 1950-55.

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I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman...

When I talked to these people I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.

This threw me back to studying the Bible again to see what they are talking about; what is "Eretz Israel," which includes this tremendous territory? Furthermore, in the covenants which God gave to the Jewish people, he said, "You are to be a pure and holy people and not to be contaminated by contact with Gentiles. Therefore, you should cast out all the inhabitants that are there and make it a Jewish state." ...

These people are introspective, they live in a world of imagination and mythology which they interpret as reality. This is true of Golda Meir, Ben Gurion and all the rest of them. They live in a world of half myth and half reality. The result has been tremendous blunders that they have made in international relations.

https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/oral-histories/wright

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Where do you think that's from? Some Islamic 'terrorist' outfit?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm
 
OPwombatwoody wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
I have found Zionism very deceitful

- Edwin M. Wright, General staff G-2 Middle East specialist, Washington, 1945-46; Bureau Near East-South Asian-African Affairs Department of State, since 1946, country specialist 1946-47, advisor U.N. affairs, 1947-50, advisor on intelligence 1950-55.

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I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman...

When I talked to these people I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.

This threw me back to studying the Bible again to see what they are talking about; what is "Eretz Israel," which includes this tremendous territory? Furthermore, in the covenants which God gave to the Jewish people, he said, "You are to be a pure and holy people and not to be contaminated by contact with Gentiles. Therefore, you should cast out all the inhabitants that are there and make it a Jewish state." ...

These people are introspective, they live in a world of imagination and mythology which they interpret as reality. This is true of Golda Meir, Ben Gurion and all the rest of them. They live in a world of half myth and half reality. The result has been tremendous blunders that they have made in international relations.

https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/oral-histories/wright

And this image:

https://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Where do you think that's from? Some Islamic 'terrorist' outfit?

Nope, not at all. Check it out:

https://www.nkusa.org

Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2022 at 11:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
OPwombatwoody wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
I have found Zionism very deceitful

- Edwin M. Wright, General staff G-2 Middle East specialist, Washington, 1945-46; Bureau Near East-South Asian-African Affairs Department of State, since 1946, country specialist 1946-47, advisor U.N. affairs, 1947-50, advisor on intelligence 1950-55.

Quote:
I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman...

When I talked to these people I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.

This threw me back to studying the Bible again to see what they are talking about; what is "Eretz Israel," which includes this tremendous territory? Furthermore, in the covenants which God gave to the Jewish people, he said, "You are to be a pure and holy people and not to be contaminated by contact with Gentiles. Therefore, you should cast out all the inhabitants that are there and make it a Jewish state." ...

These people are introspective, they live in a world of imagination and mythology which they interpret as reality. This is true of Golda Meir, Ben Gurion and all the rest of them. They live in a world of half myth and half reality. The result has been tremendous blunders that they have made in international relations.

https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/oral-histories/wright

And this image:

https://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Where do you think that's from? Some Islamic 'terrorist' outfit?

Nope, not at all. Check it out:

https://www.nkusa.org


Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.


That may well explain why current USA President Biden is a Zionist.
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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2022 at 7:31am
 
Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth.
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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:23am
 


Many people don't believe that there is a God [the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob].

And those people also, do not believe in the authority of the bible.

So i guess if a person does not believe that there is a God, its OK for that person, to CHOOSE to hate those persons which God has said [in His testimonies], that He has associated Himself with [with His law, and with His testimonies].

Why do we see 'a Jewish people', in the world ?

Why haven't 'the Jewish people' [during human history] just been absorbed into all other people/national groups in this world ?

Is it, because some of them, still CHOOSE to associate themselves with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ?


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Isaiah 41:8
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
9  Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
10  Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
11  Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.



Promises, to the children of ISRAEL....

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....

Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Numbers 24:9
....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.



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Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


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Acts 9:5
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

.....and so it is [and will be], for all those who hate God [and His law and His testimonies].


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:30am
 



Deuteronomy 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.




Psalms 87:2
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Amen, and amen !


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Psalms 87:1
His foundation is in the holy mountains.
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3  Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.


Psalms 110:2
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


Psalms 125:1
They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
....
5  As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.


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Reply #6 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:25am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.


They want much more than that. They want Greater Israel, the land from the River Nile to the River Euphrates:

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In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”

Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”...

The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze’ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha’aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the “best” that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: “The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi’ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part” (Ha’aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-eas...

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Reply #7 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:27am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 11:01pm:
That may well explain why current USA President Biden is a Zionist.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668043367/48#48
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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:09am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 7:31am:
Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy


"Israel is definitely not a democracy. A country that occupies another people for more than 40 years and disallows them the most elementary civic and human rights cannot be a democracy. A country that pursues a discriminatory policy against a fifth of its Palestinian citizens inside the 67 borders cannot be a democracy. In fact Israel is, what we used to call in political science a herrenvolk democracy, it is democracy only for the masters. The fact that you allow people to participate in the formal side of democracy, namely to vote or to be elected, is useless and meaningless if you don’t give them any share in the common good or in the common resources of the State, or if you discriminate against them despite the fact that you allow them to participate in the elections. On almost every level from official legislation through governmental practices, and social and cultural attitudes, Israel is only a democracy for one group, one ethnic group. You’ll find it very hard to use any known definition of democracy which will be applicable for the Israeli case."

- Prof. Ilan Pappé, April 1, 2011

Prof. Pappé is the author of,  A Modern History of Palestine, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and Gaza in Crisis

https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/04/01/why-israel-is-not-a-democracy/

And I'll add, within that one ethnic group it is more theocratic than democratic.


Also:

"There are five core reasons why Israel is not a Democracy:"

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-not-a-democracy/


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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:46am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:25am:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.


They want much more than that. They want Greater Israel, the land from the River Nile to the River Euphrates:

Quote:
In his Complete Diaries, Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”

Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”...

The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze’ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha’aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the “best” that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: “The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi’ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part” (Ha’aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-eas...




A bit a fantasy by the Arabs but in any case, it would be a great improvement on what is there now.
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:43am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:09am:
freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 7:31am:
Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy


"Israel is definitely not a democracy. A country that occupies another people for more than 40 years and disallows them the most elementary civic and human rights cannot be a democracy. A country that pursues a discriminatory policy against a fifth of its Palestinian citizens inside the 67 borders cannot be a democracy. In fact Israel is, what we used to call in political science a herrenvolk democracy, it is democracy only for the masters. The fact that you allow people to participate in the formal side of democracy, namely to vote or to be elected, is useless and meaningless if you don’t give them any share in the common good or in the common resources of the State, or if you discriminate against them despite the fact that you allow them to participate in the elections. On almost every level from official legislation through governmental practices, and social and cultural attitudes, Israel is only a democracy for one group, one ethnic group. You’ll find it very hard to use any known definition of democracy which will be applicable for the Israeli case."

- Prof. Ilan Pappé, April 1, 2011

Prof. Pappé is the author of,  A Modern History of Palestine, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and Gaza in Crisis

https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/04/01/why-israel-is-not-a-democracy/

And I'll add, within that one ethnic group it is more theocratic than democratic.


Also:

"There are five core reasons why Israel is not a Democracy:"

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-not-a-democracy/




Arab Muslims can vote and run for office in Israel.

Which of Israel's neighbours is equally inclusive?
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Reply #11 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:38am
 
Ok people are still not getting the message. Let me see if bullet points work 🥺

1. You've all been distracted by and focused on Trump. Biden is the rabid Zionist and he's still hidden in full view.

2. Zionism is an organised and well entrenched entity (not too dissimilar to Mossad in that there are covert operatives everywhere conducting surveillance operations).

3. The organisations listed/shown in this topic by others need to be seen for what they REALLY are. Refer 2. for a clue.



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Reply #12 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 11:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
OPwombatwoody wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
I have found Zionism very deceitful

- Edwin M. Wright, General staff G-2 Middle East specialist, Washington, 1945-46; Bureau Near East-South Asian-African Affairs Department of State, since 1946, country specialist 1946-47, advisor U.N. affairs, 1947-50, advisor on intelligence 1950-55.

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I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman...

When I talked to these people I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.

This threw me back to studying the Bible again to see what they are talking about; what is "Eretz Israel," which includes this tremendous territory? Furthermore, in the covenants which God gave to the Jewish people, he said, "You are to be a pure and holy people and not to be contaminated by contact with Gentiles. Therefore, you should cast out all the inhabitants that are there and make it a Jewish state." ...

These people are introspective, they live in a world of imagination and mythology which they interpret as reality. This is true of Golda Meir, Ben Gurion and all the rest of them. They live in a world of half myth and half reality. The result has been tremendous blunders that they have made in international relations.

https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/oral-histories/wright

And this image:

https://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Where do you think that's from? Some Islamic 'terrorist' outfit?

Nope, not at all. Check it out:

https://www.nkusa.org


Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.


That may well explain why current USA President Biden is a Zionist.


Definitions?

Biden wants a 2-state solution, Zionists want the whole of Palestine.
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Reply #13 - Dec 21st, 2022 at 3:38pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 11:01pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:43pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 8:03pm:
I have found Zionism very deceitful

- Edwin M. Wright, General staff G-2 Middle East specialist, Washington, 1945-46; Bureau Near East-South Asian-African Affairs Department of State, since 1946, country specialist 1946-47, advisor U.N. affairs, 1947-50, advisor on intelligence 1950-55.

Quote:
I accused the Zionists of using political pressures and even deceit in order to get the U.S. involved in a policy of supporting a Zionist theocratic, ethnically exclusive and ambitious Jewish State. I, and my associates in the State Department, felt this was contrary to U.S. interests and we were overruled by President Truman...

When I talked to these people I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy. The Bible was in their minds when they were talking, but they used modern nationalistic language in order to hide the fact that this was theocratic in nature. They realized that a theocratic society would not appeal to America.

I might mention here that I have found Zionism very deceitful. There is a double meaning in all the words Zionists use, and [Chaim] Weizmann himself said one time, "Let the British or anyone else talk about Zionism and they can use our terminology, but we know what the meaning of it is. It has one meaning to us, one meaning to the Gentiles." They've always had this double-entendre in everything that they have done. Whenever they use words you have to try to find out what is the context in which they are using these words.

This threw me back to studying the Bible again to see what they are talking about; what is "Eretz Israel," which includes this tremendous territory? Furthermore, in the covenants which God gave to the Jewish people, he said, "You are to be a pure and holy people and not to be contaminated by contact with Gentiles. Therefore, you should cast out all the inhabitants that are there and make it a Jewish state." ...

These people are introspective, they live in a world of imagination and mythology which they interpret as reality. This is true of Golda Meir, Ben Gurion and all the rest of them. They live in a world of half myth and half reality. The result has been tremendous blunders that they have made in international relations.

https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/library/oral-histories/wright

And this image:

https://www.nkusa.org/images/flag-ani.gif

Where do you think that's from? Some Islamic 'terrorist' outfit?

Nope, not at all. Check it out:

https://www.nkusa.org


Have you seen how tiny Isreal is?  Isreal is a THIRD of Tasmania.

A third.  Of Tasmania. And the Arabs begrudge it.


That may well explain why current USA President Biden is a Zionist.


Now have a listen to the man himself:

Biden is adamantly pro Jewish AND pro Zionist even NOW!

People who are pro Biden are not focused on that....they're still focused on Trump.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGQBFtQoXU

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/-PmzCOVKsAg


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Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 3:38pm:
Biden is adamantly pro Jewish AND pro Zionist even NOW!

People who are pro Biden are not focused on that....they're still focused on Trump.


The people you imagine prove/support your thesis, no doubt. 

Like I said, forget Trump: Biden wants a 2-state solution, Zionists want the whole of Palestine 
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