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Re: Zionism
Reply #150 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:07am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:05am:

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All religious Jews believe Jewish religious mythology, not just Netanyahu.

You stating the obvious again.

Then stop laying it at the feet of Netanyahu. Nearly all Jews think the way he does.

Netanyahu is the Israeli spokesman giving the finger to the world community. He should be condemned by the ICJ, for Israel's ongoing illegal occupation.

He will never be held accountable. As Putin never will be. Or Xi Jinping. Or any US president. Or any leader of a major or regional power.

Unless they fall from power and are indicted by their own people.

That's right: we still don't have effective international law.

..owing to the small matter of delusional 'natural individual rights' and the related obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty'.

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Reply #151 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:05am:

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All religious Jews believe Jewish religious mythology, not just Netanyahu.

You stating the obvious again.

Then stop laying it at the feet of Netanyahu. Nearly all Jews think the way he does.

Netanyahu is the Israeli spokesman giving the finger to the world community. He should be condemned by the ICJ, for Israel's ongoing illegal occupation.

He will never be held accountable. As Putin never will be. Or Xi Jinping. Or any US president. Or any leader of a major or regional power.

Unless they fall from power and are indicted by their own people.

That's right: we still don't have effective international law.

..owing to the small matter of delusional 'natural individual rights' and the related obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty'.

Just when I thought you couldn't get more naive...

No leader of an influential/powerful state would be indicted for anything.

If the backlash from an indictment of a popular leader is so great as to disrupt world affairs, it is deemed not in the world's interest to indict the leader.

Only leaders who fall from power and have no friends get hauled off to the Hague - like Slobodan Milosovich - and the world hasn't heard the last from the Serbs over that.

Even Erich Honecker and Augusto Pinochet escaped indictment by political and diplomatic acrobatics, as did the Shah of Iran.

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Reply #152 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:27am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 10:05am:

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All religious Jews believe Jewish religious mythology, not just Netanyahu.

You stating the obvious again.

Then stop laying it at the feet of Netanyahu. Nearly all Jews think the way he does.

Netanyahu is the Israeli spokesman giving the finger to the world community. He should be condemned by the ICJ, for Israel's ongoing illegal occupation.

He will never be held accountable. As Putin never will be. Or Xi Jinping. Or any US president. Or any leader of a major or regional power.

Unless they fall from power and are indicted by their own people.

That's right: we still don't have effective international law.

..owing to the small matter of delusional 'natural individual rights' and the related obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty'.

Just when I thought you couldn't get more naive...

No leader of an influential/powerful state would be indicted for anything.

I get it, you don't believe in effective international law...

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If the backlash from an indictment of a popular leader is so great as to disrupt world affairs, it is deemed not in the world's interest to indict the leader.

Deemed by whom?

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Only leaders who fall from power and have no friends get hauled off to the Hague - like Slobodan Milosovich - and the world hasn't heard the last from the Serbs over that.

Even Erich Honecker and Augusta Pinochet escaped indictment by political and diplomatic acrobatics, as did the Shah of Iran.

Yes. Such is our world without effective international law.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #153 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:27am: I get it, you don't believe in effective international law... Again, more naivety. Apart from diplomatic bitching about him, has Bashir Al Assad been indicted? Could it be because his allies include Russia, Egypt, Iran and China?
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Reply #154 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:27am:

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Only leaders who fall from power and have no friends get hauled off to the Hague - like Slobodan Milosovich - and the world hasn't heard the last from the Serbs over that.

Even Erich Honecker and Augusta Pinochet escaped indictment by political and diplomatic acrobatics, as did the Shah of Iran.

Yes. Such is our world without effective international law.

If I hadn't read your previous posts, I'd guess your age to be about 15.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #155 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am: Again, more naivety. Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.
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Reply #156 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am:

Again, more naivety.

Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.

Would you expect the UNGA to demand the indictment of Xi Jinping to answer accusations at the ICJ that his regime covered up the pandemic origins, destroyed evidence, allowed infected Chinese to travel the world and interfered in the operations of the WHO to collaborate in the cover-up?

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Reply #157 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am:

Again, more naivety.

Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.

Would you expect the UNGA to demand the indictment of Xi Jinping to answer accusations at the ICJ that his regime covered up the pandemic origins, destroyed evidence, allowed infected Chinese to travel the world and interfered in the operations of the WHO to collaborate in the cover-up?

Yes, if that was the opinion/vote of the UNGA, though it's up to the ICJ to indict.

I would expect Xi to put up a spirited defence of the CCP government on scientific grounds. not mythology, but it would be for the court to make its judgement.

Note: if effective international law DID exist, a Marxist CCP would be much more naturally comfortable with it, than the delusional "freedom values" West.

At present, in the absence of effective international law, the CCP will always be under siege by delusional freedom values" ideologues.

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Reply #158 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am:

Again, more naivety.

Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.

Would you expect the UNGA to demand the indictment of Xi Jinping to answer accusations at the ICJ that his regime covered up the pandemic origins, destroyed evidence, allowed infected Chinese to travel the world and interfered in the operations of the WHO to collaborate in the cover-up?

Yes, if that was the opinion/vote of the UNGA.

How would you imagine the UNGA would arrest or detain Xi Jinping?

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Reply #159 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:42pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am:

Again, more naivety.

Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.

Would you expect the UNGA to demand the indictment of Xi Jinping to answer accusations at the ICJ that his regime covered up the pandemic origins, destroyed evidence, allowed infected Chinese to travel the world and interfered in the operations of the WHO to collaborate in the cover-up?

Yes, if that was the opinion/vote of the UNGA.

How would you imagine the UNGA would arrest or detain Xi Jinping?

In the same way the UNGA has voted for an examination of Israel's illegal occupation.

With effective international law, Netanyahu would be detained after the occupation was confirmed to be illegal, a detention backed by the UNSC.

A convicted criminal can only hide from the law for so long....

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Reply #160 - Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 11:38am:

Again, more naivety.

Effective international law - which doesn't exist owing to widespread, delusional, self-interested "individual natural rights" ideology - is not naive, it's essential in the age of MAD.

Would you expect the UNGA to demand the indictment of Xi Jinping to answer accusations at the ICJ that his regime covered up the pandemic origins, destroyed evidence, allowed infected Chinese to travel the world and interfered in the operations of the WHO to collaborate in the cover-up?

Yes, if that was the opinion/vote of the UNGA.

How would you imagine the UNGA would arrest or detain Xi Jinping?

In the same way the UNGA has voted for an examination of Israel's illegal occupation.

With effective international law, Netanyahu would be detained after the occupation was confirmed to be illegal, a detention backed by the UNSC.

A convicted criminal can only hide from the law for so long....

So Xi Jinping's presumed guilt for live organ harvesting, slave labour and Uighur genocide would see him indicted for crimes against humanity by the UNGA.

Would you have a small army of UN troops enter China to arrest Xi Jinping?

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Reply #161 - Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 10:18am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:54pm:

So Xi Jinping's presumed guilt for live organ harvesting, slave labour and Uighur genocide would see him indicted for crimes against humanity by the UNGA.

Unlike Netanyahu who is aiding and abetting his country to ignore international law (ie, via Israel's illegal occupation of the WB) , Xi is determined to eliminate corruption. The UNGA obviously will not vote for Xi's investigation by the ICJ, for 'crimes' invented by Western "freedom" ideologues, which would be laughed out of court. [There is no "Uighur genocide", there are reeducation camps for separatist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalist criminals].

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Would you have a small army of UN troops enter China to arrest Xi Jinping?

The UNSC would blockade and close down the illegal WB settlements for Israeli settlers.

Netanuyahu's response would determine his fate, like any criminal.

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Reply #162 - Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 12:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 10:18am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:54pm:

So Xi Jinping's presumed guilt for live organ harvesting, slave labour and Uighur genocide would see him indicted for crimes against humanity by the UNGA.

Unlike Netanyahu who is aiding and abetting his country to ignore international law (ie, via Israel's illegal occupation of the WB) , Xi is determined to eliminate corruption. The UNGA obviously will not vote for Xi's investigation by the ICJ, for 'crimes' invented by Western "freedom" ideologues, which would be laughed out of court. [There is no "Uighur genocide", there are reeducation camps for separatist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalist criminals].

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Would you have a small army of UN troops enter China to arrest Xi Jinping?

The UNSC would blockade and close down the illegal WB settlements for Israeli settlers.

Netanuyahu's response would determine his fate, like any criminal.

Are you sure you're older than 15?

Xi is the head of a state that practises live organ transplants, operates slave labour camps and commits genocide. He is a criminal, responsible for crimes against humanity, as all CCP leaders were and are.

Bashar Al Assad has not been removed from power because he has allies like Russia and China who ensure he remains in power.

Heads of state are only taken out or arrested when they have fallen from power, have no powerful allies, are indicted by their own people and on the run.

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Reply #163 - Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 12:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 10:18am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 12:54pm:

So Xi Jinping's presumed guilt for live organ harvesting, slave labour and Uighur genocide would see him indicted for crimes against humanity by the UNGA.

Unlike Netanyahu who is aiding and abetting his country to ignore international law (ie, via Israel's illegal occupation of the WB) , Xi is determined to eliminate corruption. The UNGA obviously will not vote for Xi's investigation by the ICJ, for 'crimes' invented by Western "freedom" ideologues, which would be laughed out of court. [There is no "Uighur genocide", there are reeducation camps for separatist, terrorist, Islamic fundamentalist criminals].

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Would you have a small army of UN troops enter China to arrest Xi Jinping?

The UNSC would blockade and close down the illegal WB settlements for Israeli settlers.

Netanuyahu's response would determine his fate, like any criminal.

Are you sure you're older than 15?

Xi is the head of a state that practises live organ transplants, operates slave labour camps and commits genocide. He is a criminal, responsible for crimes against humanity, as all CCP leaders were and are.

Bashar Al Assad has not been removed from power because he has allies like Russia and China who ensure he remains in power.

All those things are up to the judges of an ICJ to judge, not a blind, fake "freedom values" ideologue like you.

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Heads of state are only taken out or arrested when they have fallen from power, have no powerful allies, are indicted by their own people and on the run.

The UNGA should be much more proactive in education promoting the UNUDHR, then sociopathic leaders - and ideologies - would be much less influential in the world.

"Civilization is a race between education and catastrophe". HG Wells.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46508 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #164 - Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm The occupation of the WB by Israel is not illegal. Unless it was illegal by Jordan before 1967 and by Britain after the end of the Ottomans, or indeed by the Ottomans. Indeed, it has always been occupied territory since the destruction of the Kingdoms of Judea and Israel by the Romans.
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