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Re: Zionism
Reply #180 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:17am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 12:14pm:
Xi is the head of a state that practises live organ transplants, operates slave labour camps and commits genocide.


Police smash Israeli organ-trafficking ring


BBC News   
Wednesday, 7 April 2010

A retired army brigadier general is among six suspects arrested by Israeli police investigating an organ-trafficking ring, police say.

The organisation offered as much as $100,000 (£65,600) for kidneys, which were transplanted by doctors in poor countries, a sting operation uncovered.

Police said they had been "shocked" by the extent of the smuggling ring.

Retired Gen Meir Zamir, arrested in connection with the trafficking, won a medal of valour in the Yom Kippur War.

'Dream come true'

The trafficking ring came to light after a 50-year-old woman from Nazareth came to police.

She told them she was flown to Azerbaijan where doctors removed her kidney.

On her return to Israel she was expecting to be given $100,000, but she never received the money.

Another 18-year-old man complained to police after he was offered $80,000 and flown to the Philippines to have the operation.

"We ran an undercover investigation and we were shocked by the proportions of this," Police Superintendent Ahron Galor told Ynet News.

"We learned there are many people willing to sell a kidney for just £10,000. These are people who have severe financial difficulties, for whom such a sum is a dream come true."

Forging documents

The traffickers advertised online, suggesting there was another solution for people who had been waiting for kidney transplants for years.

They offered the kidneys for sale for $140,000.

As well as Gen Zamir, two lawyers were among those arrested in the sting operation.

The lawyers are suspected of forging documents which said the recipient and donor were related.

Police said members of the ring tried to cover their tracks by hiding the Israeli medical records of the donors.

This made it hard for donors to be treated if they became sick following the surgery.



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Reply #181 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:31am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?



Time to learn some history. Below are a few key passages from Muhammed’s Sword by Uri Avnery:


THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.


So some Muslim told you. Gotcha.

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Reply #182 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:32am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:09pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 30th, 2022 at 10:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 8:37am:
The Muslims cannot tolerate a "Jewish" state on "Muslim" land


They lived in peace until racist Zionism appeared on the scene.

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even if Muslims there have more rights and freedoms than in any of the other middle eastern countries.


Then one would think they would be clamoring to move to Israel to enjoy all those 'rights and freedoms' but is that what we see?




Re the highlighted bit 👆:

1. Who told you (the abhorrent lie) that the Jews and Muslims lived together peacefully?

2. Do you think Zionists are racists?


Now you still haven't answered question 2. Why?
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Reply #183 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:37am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:31am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?



Time to learn some history. Below are a few key passages from Muhammed’s Sword by Uri Avnery:


THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.


So some Muslim told you. Gotcha.



Uri Avnery is Jewish.
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Reply #184 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:53am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:37am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:31am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?



Time to learn some history. Below are a few key passages from Muhammed’s Sword by Uri Avnery:


THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.


So some Muslim told you. Gotcha.



Uri Avnery is Jewish.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery

This guy? Who's all over the place wrt what he believes?

The idiot who believed we should be negotiating with extreme terrorist groups? His entire family disowned and disinherited him for the rubbish he stated! Gotcha!

Ok enough of your rubbish....let's move on. Answer my 2nd question. You keep avoiding it.
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Reply #185 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:56am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:09pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 30th, 2022 at 10:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 8:37am:
The Muslims cannot tolerate a "Jewish" state on "Muslim" land


They lived in peace until racist Zionism appeared on the scene.

Quote:
even if Muslims there have more rights and freedoms than in any of the other middle eastern countries.


Then one would think they would be clamoring to move to Israel to enjoy all those 'rights and freedoms' but is that what we see?




Re the highlighted bit 👆:

1. Who told you (the abhorrent lie) that the Jews and Muslims lived together peacefully?

2. Do you think Zionists are racists?


Now you still haven't answered question 2. Why?
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Reply #186 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:27am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:09pm:
2. Do you think Zionists are racists?


The Racist Nature of Zionism and of the Zionist State of Israel


by Prof. Israel Shahak

first published in Hebrew in Pi-Ha'aton

(weekly paper of the students in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem)
11/5/1975

republished in English in The Non-Jew in the Jewish State: A Collection of Documents


The State of Israel is a racist state in the full meaning of this term: In this state people are discriminated against, in the most permanent and legal way and in the most important areas of life, only because of their origin. This racist discrimination began in Zionism and is carried out today mainly in cooperation with the institutions of the Zionist movement. I will prove this view by quoting facts, laws and regulations which have force in Israel (and which are known really to anybody) and are enforced by the government. I will therefore ignore the racism of the individuals in this article and also the declared or undeclared explanations by which this racism is sometimes "justified").

In the State of Israel, one who is not a Jew is discriminated against, only because he is not a Jew, in these areas of life:


1) The right to live, to dwell or to open a business in the place of one's choice. Most of the land in Israel belongs to or is administered by the Jewish National Fund—JNF—which is a Zionist organization, and operates an admitted racist policy: It forbids non-Jews to dwell on its lands or to open businesses and sometimes even to work, only because they are not Jews! This policy not only enjoys perfect legality here (in contrast to similar discrimination against Jews which is illegal in most countries of the world) but it is supported by all the instruments of Israeli rule. In such a manner many whole towns were legally created in Israel which are, as the phrase goes, "clean of Arabs," or as we should say rather, "clean of Gentiles (goyim)." In other towns, like Upper Nazareth, only one special quarter is "devoted" to the dwelling of Arabs. Any attempt by an Arab to buy or rent a flat from a Jew is opposed openly and legally by all the branches of the government (the Ministry of Housing, municipality etc.) and also illegally by opposition of the local Jewish inhabitants which is not challenged by the Israeli police.

2) The "Salvation of the Land," that concept which is pushed into the brains of all the Jewish pupils in Israel from the kindergarten on. What is this? The meaning of this term is that according to the teaching of Israeli Ministry of Education, a land which was "saved"—was to a Jewish ownership. A land which has not yet been "saved" belongs as yet to human beings who were born of non-Jewish mothers, and one has to "save" it. Messengers of the JNF, who enjoy the most forceful support the Israeli government and especially of its "security arms," are employed continually in "saving" land both in Israel and in the conquered territories, and in changing it into an additional area of racism.

3) The right to work. Under the title of "The Israeli settlement authorities are taking action against the leasing of lands to Arabs," Ma'ariv (7/3/75) tells the following racist story: "The Ministry of Agriculture and the Settlement Department of the Jewish Agency have recently launched a vehement campaign to eradicate the plague of land-leasing and orchard leasing to Bedouins and Arab farmers in the Western Galilee. The Director of the Galilee area for the Jewish Agency, Mr. Aharon Nahmani said that his office sent a circular notice to all settlements, in which they are warned that the leasing of national lands for cultivation by Arab share-croppers, as well as renting of the orchards for picking amd marketing by Arabs contradicts the law and the regulations of the settlement authorities and the settlement movements. The management of the Galilee area enjoins the settlements to abstain from this practice, and stresses that last year already, the department pressed legal charges against settlements which did not abstain."

4) The right to equality. The right of a citizen to enjoy a government which deals with each citizen according to fixed non-racist criteria. The Israeli Ministry of Housing consists of two parts. Its main part is carrying out a racist policy for the benefit of the Jews alone.

The primary duty of all citizens of Israel, and also of all those Jews in the Diaspora who define themselves as the "supporters of Israel" is to struggle against the racism and the discrimination which Zionism has established in the State of Israel, and which is directed against all the non-Jews who live in it. Such a struggle, which necessarily begins with the explanation of the racist character of Zionism and the State of Israel and the condemnation of their racism is neither anti-Jewish nor anti-Semitic. Only a state which will abolish inside itself all the forms of racism, beginning with those that it enforces itself, can, afterwards, operate a policy which will bring all of us to a stable peace.
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Reply #187 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:30am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:53am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:37am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:31am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?



Time to learn some history. Below are a few key passages from Muhammed’s Sword by Uri Avnery:


THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.


So some Muslim told you. Gotcha.



Uri Avnery is Jewish.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery

This guy? Who's all over the place wrt what he believes?

The idiot who believed we should be negotiating with extreme terrorist groups? His entire family disowned and disinherited him for the rubbish he stated! Gotcha!

Ok enough of your rubbish....let's move on. Answer my 2nd question. You keep avoiding it.


In these matters Wikipedia is nothing but Zionist propaganda, as I've already shown you.
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Reply #188 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:58am
 
It's undeniable that Christians in Europe spent their first few hundred years obsessed with distancing themselves and their new religion from Judaism, as the Romans considered Jews to be a seditious people, (in modern-day speak: terrorists) and harassed them with extreme prejudice.

During the next few hundred years of the Christian era, harassment descended into open persecution and sporadic genocide, interrupted by occasional attempts to convert them to Christianity.

With the rise of Protestantism, Martin Luther was convinced he had the arguments to convert Jews en masse to Christianity. When his arguments failed, he resorted to preaching extreme antisemitism - including mass expulsions, and the ethnic cleansing of European Jews.

From the 17th century onwards, Christian Europe abandoned the possibility of mass conversion and focussed on persecution with extreme prejudice. This sentiment of the period is recorded for all time by Shakespeare's Shylock in 'The Merchant of Venice' (even if at one point he toys with the idea that Jews are human).

This era hit its nadir of brutality with the rise of Nazism, the aftermath of which saw even Catholic Popes on their knees begging forgiveness for the Catholic church's culpability in inciting, aiding and abetting in 1700 years of harassment, persecution and murder of Jews.
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Reply #189 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 8:51am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 5:01am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:56am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?

THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews.


Grin


So prove him wrong. Prove this former Israeli MP,  author and peace activist, wrong.

Show that evidence - from before Zionism arrived on the scene.


Sure. Here is an example from Ibn Ishaq, of Muhammad openly threatening to kill Jews if they do not convert to Islam.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Jews_According_to_Ibn_Ishaq

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Ibn Ishaq portrays Muhammad himself as repeatedly telling the Jews that his coming as a prophet is plainly foretold in the Jewish scriptures. After the Muslim victory over the pagan Quraysh at the battle of Badr, Muhammad assembled the Jews of the Banu Qaynuqa in the marketplace in Medina and addressed them as follows: “O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that he brought upon Quraysh and become Muslims. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent – you will find that in your scriptures and in God’s covenant with you” (p. 363; cf. also pp. 248, 249, 250, 252, 257, where acceptance of Muhammad is said to be a part of the Jews’ covenant with God). Muhammad directed the same message to the Jews of Khaybar: “The apostle wrote to the Jews of Khaybar […] God says to you, O scripture folk, and you will find it in your scripture, ‘Muhammad is the apostle of God…’” (p. 256).


FYI, the battle of Badr was Muhammad's first military victory. He killed a bunch of Meccan traders (the Quraysh) and stole all their goods. He then used his new reputation as a killer to threaten the Jews of Medina. This was not an idle threat. Within a short period of time, Muhammad either slaughtered or expelled (and later slaughtered) all 3 large Jewish tribes in Medina. Muhammad and his successors ethnically cleansed a large area around Mecca and Medina of all Jews. Of course, those who converted to Islam, were spared, sort of.
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Reply #190 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 9:16am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 7:30am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:53am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:37am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:31am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:50am:
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:19am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 5:56am:
Muslims protected Jews throughout history.


Grin

Who told you that?



Time to learn some history. Below are a few key passages from Muhammed’s Sword by Uri Avnery:


THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.


So some Muslim told you. Gotcha.



Uri Avnery is Jewish.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery

This guy? Who's all over the place wrt what he believes?

The idiot who believed we should be negotiating with extreme terrorist groups? His entire family disowned and disinherited him for the rubbish he stated! Gotcha!

Ok enough of your rubbish....let's move on. Answer my 2nd question. You keep avoiding it.


In these matters
Wikipedia is nothing but Zionist propaganda
as I've already shown you.


Oh so Wiki is nothing but Zionist propaganda ie no longer relevant in your mind.

In your mind Julian Assange must be a Zionist too .... yes?
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Reply #191 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 9:21am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 6:56am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 5:09pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Dec 30th, 2022 at 10:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 8:37am:
The Muslims cannot tolerate a "Jewish" state on "Muslim" land


They lived in peace until racist Zionism appeared on the scene.

Quote:
even if Muslims there have more rights and freedoms than in any of the other middle eastern countries.


Then one would think they would be clamoring to move to Israel to enjoy all those 'rights and freedoms' but is that what we see?




Re the highlighted bit 👆:

1. Who told you (the abhorrent lie) that the Jews and Muslims lived together peacefully?

2. Do YOU THINK Zionists are racists?


Now you still haven't answered question 2. Why?


Oi WOMbatty .... do YOU THINK Zionists are racist?

It's a very simple question.

The answer is either a YES or a NO!
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Reply #192 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 9:27am
 
It's helpful to remember that Jews who remained in the middle east after the destruction of the second temple, practised many heterodoxies of temple Judaism (of which Christianity was labelled as one for its first 200 years in Europe).

Mohammed's perception of the old message (he insisted he was not creating a new religion) was fused with some Christian beliefs (Jesus and Mary are mentioned more times than Mohammed in the Koran), so Mohammed was, in his mind, likely not killing Jews as he was killing heretics to the old message.
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Reply #193 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:46pm
 
The best protection from manipulation is to use first principles of common sense logic.

Can you label someone as anti-Semitic who criticizes non-Semites? or to label someone as Anglo fob who is against Chinese?

It seems that in a world of universal deception and moral relativism, any lie can be the truth.
"Who is going to direct our directors and who is going to protect us from our protectors"?
I guess Aussie Cossack.

"Who is going to direct our directors and who is going to protect us from our protectors"?

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Reply #194 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 1:10pm
 
athos wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 12:46pm:
in a world of universal deceit and moral relativism, any lie can be the truth.

That'd be what the CCP security bureau officer tells you when you're on your knees in front of him.
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