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Re: Zionism
Reply #300 - Feb 17^th, 2023 at 12:55pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 6:48am:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 5:31am:

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2023 at 9:17am:

I am still waiting for you to back up your original claim.

Did you read further than that, yes or no?

I believe so. It was a while ago now.

Then explain how it is not calling for genocide.

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So far all you have done is equivocate.

Explain how the above is not calling for genocide.

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Reply #301 - Feb 17^th, 2023 at 3:01pm

Religion belongs to the Middle-East,
not to Europe.

Germany has coughed it up like a Nazi Supernova.
France is next and it will burn like a Notre Dame cathedral as Islam as an Empire finally extracts its Messiah.
Then it will be Italy's turn via the Mafia/Vatican, as the Italians get the now unarmed (like Palestinians) Moslems (no longer a military Empire) and genocide them like Germany did to the Jews.
Only Israel (now a Military nation) will help the Moslems and destroy the Mafia and Vatican.
...then finally it will be Britain's turn to carry its Christian Cross to Jerusalem to face a 'united' Islam/Israel (Istari) people and 'Empire'. Britain of course will 'die' - but it lives on through its colonies in North America and Australia.
Thus will end, the Religious empowerment in Europe, as it now blooms in the Middle-East via a Moslem people and an Israeli Empire that spans the Middle-East.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #302 - Feb 17^th, 2023 at 7:54pm

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Then explain how it is not calling for genocide.

It appears to be "calling" for the genocide of a group of people who no longer exist.

The Quran on the other hand contains plenty of contemporary and general calls for mass slaughter. Which explains why it is the Muslims who keep trying to go round killing lots of people, and the Jews who have created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.

So, a far cry from what you claimed:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 7:03pm:

If you want to see support for genocide you need look no further than the Hebrew Bible.

There you will find incitements to genocide, unequivocal incitements, by the score.

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Reply #303 - Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:17pm

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

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Then explain how it is not calling for genocide.

It appears to be "calling" for the genocide of a group of people who no longer exist.

True; but Rabin's murderer - a Jewish fundamentalist - was motivated by bronze-age Hebrew mythology recorded in the OT, relating to "The Promised Land".

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49069 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #304 - Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm Do you agree with this claim? wombatwoody wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 7:03pm: If you want to see support for genocide you need look no further than the Hebrew Bible. There you will find incitements to genocide, unequivocal incitements, by the score.
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Reply #305 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrew land conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #306 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrews conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

How is the Promised Land mythology any worse than the Aboriginal First Nations sovereignty mythology?
If the Jews have no right to Israel, why do Aborigines have any right to Australia? Or Red Indians to the Americas?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48641 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #307 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:15pm America is the Promised Land of Jews. That's why they run the country. Australia is the Promised Land of Moslems where they can walk around Uluru, like around the Stone of Mecca.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #308 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:50pm

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrews conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

How is the Promised Land mythology any worse than the Aboriginal First Nations sovereignty mythology?

They are both problematic. But the former pits 1.5 billion Muslims against Israel....with global implications for global peace and "terrorism".

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If the Jews have no right to Israel, why do Aborigines have any right to Australia? Or Red Indians to the Americas?

The UN decided to partition BM Palestine - defining the extent of the Jewish "right" to 'Israel'.

But partitioning the US or Oz is trickier, and presumably not desirable....except for diehards.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84738 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #309 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 1:54pm Well - which would you prefer as neighbours? Jews or Muslims? Asking for a friend....
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12968 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #310 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 3:02pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 1:54pm: Well - which would you prefer as neighbours? Jews or Muslims? Asking for a friend.... As my neighbours? I'd like a chat first....
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Re: Zionism
Reply #311 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 5:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrew land conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

So you agree that Wombat has misrepresented the Hebrew Bible in an effort to make it seem as bad as the Quran?

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48641 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #312 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 6:54pm The Future of the Moslem, is the past of the Jew. The Future of the Jew, is the past of the Moslem. That's why the 'Empire' of Islam is falling and Moslems, once they get their Messiah out of the ashes of France - will wander like the Jews once did. And the Jews, will become Empire in the name of Israel
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Reply #313 - Feb 20^th, 2023 at 8:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrews conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

How is the Promised Land mythology any worse than the Aboriginal First Nations sovereignty mythology?

They are both problematic. But the former pits 1.5 billion Muslims against Israel....with global implications for global peace and "terrorism".

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If the Jews have no right to Israel, why do Aborigines have any right to Australia? Or Red Indians to the Americas?

The UN decided to partition BM Palestine - defining the extent of the Jewish "right" to 'Israel'.

But the sons of Mohammed, with no veto power, didnt accept it. They started a war the next day.

So much for your UN world government, silly bozo.

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Reply #314 - Feb 21^st, 2023 at 10:45am

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Do you agree with this claim?

Rabin's murderer took his motivation from the OT (with it's "Promised Land" mythology ...ie, land gained by genocide leading up to David's conquest of Jerusalem), even though the OT authorizes bronze-age genocide.

So we have a problem ...today; hence the UNSC is currently drawing a 'consensus' resolution to condemn illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied WB.

...whether or not I agree with your assertion that OT-authorized genocide is confined to the bronze-age.

So, while I can agree with your statement that genocide in the OT refers to bronze age Hebrews conquests, I can't agree with RW Israeli settler assertions (based on OT "Promised Land" mythology) re WB settlements today.

How is the Promised Land mythology any worse than the Aboriginal First Nations sovereignty mythology?

They are both problematic. But the former pits 1.5 billion Muslims against Israel....with global implications for global peace and "terrorism".

Quote:

If the Jews have no right to Israel, why do Aborigines have any right to Australia? Or Red Indians to the Americas?

The UN decided to partition BM Palestine - defining the extent of the Jewish "right" to 'Israel'.

But the sons of Mohammed, with no veto power, didnt accept it. They started a war the next day.

So much for your UN world government, silly bozo.

They "started a war the next day", BECAUSE international law wasn't developed to the extent required to prevent war as a method of dispute settlement, under the auspices of a UN which had been created only a year before the UN-sponsored partitioning of BM Palestine.

(In fact the veto demanded by the US and USSR in 1946 crippled the effective operation of the UNSC from the start).

Not to mention Robert Skidelsky's recent article in which he noted:

Letter: The economic conditions that make wars more likely

https://www.ft.com/content/d87d1d35-3272-490a-b8cc-e6a33de75ac3

and his reference to Keynes' 1944 "clearing union" concept designed to engender prosperous development in all nations, rejected by the triumphalist US.

See how your individual/national sovereignty delusions lead you astray?

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