thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2023 at 10:45am:



So the Arabs started the war the next day because they were led astray by their individual/national delusions and quite possibly by neoliberal evil ideology that lacked MMT and JG at the  time.

The Russians, too, are just looking for meaningful work in Ukraine.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2023 at 7:03pm:


No - all our faults, including Arabs. 

An ICJ can sort out all this nonsense, and outlaw war at the same time.

But my post went straight over your head, so you blame the other bloke as usual, while claiming purity for yourself. 

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2023 at 9:28pm:


No. We should credit 'Doc' Evatt, former ALP leader and High Court judge - who knew a thing or two about law....

He resisted adoption of the veto by the UNSC powers during the founding of the UN Charter (and had the support of the delegates from smaller countries present at that founding conference).

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Both statements are correct (though the Arab world wouldn't have cared if Israel had been created in Oz or the US, rather than Palestine). 

The difference between us is I recognize the need for international law, you don't.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:


Look, the professor clearly states,

'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" [56] acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites."


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What's this then?

'Biblical verses exhorting to genocide of the Midianites [57] were solemnly quoted by an important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre...

57. Numbers 31:13-20; note in particular verse 17: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him." '

And:

"There was the very influential sociologist and Biblical scholar, Yehezkiel Kaufman, an advocate of genocide on the model of the Book of Joshua, the idealist philosopher Hugo Shmuel Bergman, who as far back as 1914-15 advocated the expulsion of all Palestinians to Iraq, and many others."  -  Prof. Shahak, Chapter 2.  Prejudice and Prevarication

And there are many more, These verses were favorites of Rabbi Meir Kahane:

I Samuel 15:

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

18 And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; wage war against them until you have wiped them out.’


Numbers 33:50-53:

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, 51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; 52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places: 53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

"the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites"

Rabbi Israel Hess - Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah

'On February 26, 1980, Bat Kol, the student publication of Bar-Ilan University, published an article by Hess titled "Genocide: A Commandment of the Torah" (also translated as "The Mitzvah of Genocide in the Torah") in which, according to Karen Armstrong, he argued that the Palestinians "deserved the same fate as the Amalekites".[1][2] The article is an explanation of the commandment in Deuteronomy 25:17 to "obliterate the memory of Amalek".[2] According to Eric Yoffie, Hess wrote that this "requires the killing of babes and sucklings, and forbids the showing of mercy".[2] According to David Hirst, Hess wrote that "the day will come when we shall all be called upon to wage this war for the annihilation of Amalek" in order to ensure "racial purity" and because of "the antagonism between Israel and Amalek as an expression of the antagonism between light and darkness, the pure and the unclean".[3]

'In 2004, Shulamit Aloni, writing in Haaretz, said of Hess' article, "It's no coincidence that in the settlements the Palestinians are called 'Amalek', and the intention is obvious to everyone".[4] '

- Israel Hess, Wikipedia

"the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites"

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Do these "Influential rabbis" have a name?

And are they actually offering an interpretation of the text?

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:


translation: I accept war as the means to settle disputes between nations.

Good luck......in the age of MAD....

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 9:22pm:


No, but your contempt for life is palpable: live by the sword, die by the sword.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 9:52pm:


Perhaps you are just on a different planet.